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So there are finally articles being published on what can happen with fat grafts -- any type of weight gain can lead to disfiguring enlargement depending on where the fat is taken from. in some people its hard to correct because of scar tissue, but in many cases its just hypertrophied fat. In one articles, even HIV patients with a gaunt face felt disfigured by the fat placed in their gaunt hollowed faces because it enlarged so quickly.
I waited so long because so many articles, surgeons say how fat is so important for aging -- yes, if its in the right quantity but free fat grafts, no doubt, can be disfiguring and I'm preying that microlipo and possibly some steroid/5fu will fix my problem areas.
I think its harder to get fat out if you try to get it out when it "looks good" a year or so after. But when it enlarges and grows from its baseline, it is not likely scar tissue that is growing, but the fat itself, and i'm hoping this can possibly be removed. I would also think that the scar tissue that underlies the fat would make the skin unlikely to sag since it would have a support system.
I don't think Coleman and others knew this would happen -- definitely a long term complication of fat grafts and finally literature is being published to warn against using too much fat, and to be careful where its taken from
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Can you provide links? articles? thanks!!!
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Hey brett, Did any article mention exactly where the bad donor sites are? Also, why did you have facial fat grafting in the first place, if you don't mind my asking. If you do, nevermind.
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Hi,
If you google fat graft overgrowth, multiple articles now come up. I had mine for acne scars, but Dr. Coleman and others believe you have to reuild facial structure when using fat, not just place it randomly.
Not all fat transfer is bad, but problem is that the fat is taken from areas that tend to hypertrophy -- love handles, abdomen -- and now you have this body fat in your face and it sure does act like body fat, not fine facial fat
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Ryan,
The only reason i didn't use him is i don't want to be put out.
Its weird so few do ML to cheek and to face in general, as taking it out is no more risky than putting it in, same canulas used, probably less trauma in some ways, definitely less recovery.
I'm seeing Jeff Klein soon in LA area, as he invented tumscent lipo and their are before afters on his web site for face lipo
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I can only find one article in pubmed, and it's dated 2000. Anyhow, if you have actual scientific, peer-reviewed articles about this, I would love to read. Thanks!
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Cybergirl posted a link to some research that said the abdominal fat and the inner thigh fat had the most stem cells. So, what ever fat has the most stem cells, it would follow that fat in the face very well could 'grow' later down the line. Jadegreen wrote:Hey brett, Did any article mention exactly where the bad donor sites are? Also, why did you have facial fat grafting in the first place, if you don't mind my asking. If you do, nevermind.
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My first fat graft was easy to recover from, I think, because it was jaw, temple and upper lids. I'm just a few days over 2 weeks out from my last f/g. This was to my chin, lower lids and cheeks and forehead. I still feel my cheeks project too much and my smile is still off, but it's way early, I know! He also put more fat into my jaw to bring the angle back more and I love the way it looks now. The fat was taken from my hips. I don't think my ps fills as much as Coleman does. Did you gain weight? The jaw I want is what I have now........cheeks and forehead should deflate. If only! We'll see what happens with this hip fat. My last fat was from my butt.......2 years ago and its not saggin' yet!
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I mean my face......not butt
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As far as bad donor sites well i would say it depends upon the person. From what i understand we are al born with a set amount of fat cells and when we gain weight the fat cells grow and shrink when we lose weight . We do not grow new fat cells when we gain weight or lose cells when losing weight.
Everybody puts on weight differently. Some people tend to get bigger in the hips..some put on weight in the stomach...stc..
These fat cells are already program to get bigger then other area's. When i gain weight it shows more in my love handles because them fat cells get bigger then my stomach. Other people it might be the stomach or the hips or breast or thighs etc...You cannot change the make-up of fat cells.
So it all depends upon where the doctor has taken the fat cells from on each patient. Everyone is different so some people will have different results depending upon their fat cell makeup.
If you tend to put on weight in your hip area and have lost weight where it didn't show then decided to use them fat cells that shrunk (from Hip area ) due to weight lost and injected it in your face and then put on weight them fat cells would still grow the way they did when in the hip area.
When getting fat injections insist on using the same part each time ( Donor site ). Never mix fat cells that hardly grow with fat cells that tend to grow when putting on weight. It can cause the area to be lumpy or uneven when gaining weight.Plus you have to take into account not all cells are going to survive .
Now ..i heard the best area to take fat from ( For the face ) is right above the pubic area due to good blood supply and consistant size when losing or gaining weight.
Reniar
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right above the pubic area is where they can take a free fascia fat strip to implant to the lip. I'm not sure they lipo that area though.
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MissJ wrote:right above the pubic area is where they can take a free fascia fat strip to implant to the lip. I'm not sure they lipo that area though. Yes your correct that the pubic area is also used for the lip.. I should have mentioned the fat above the pubic area that is used is used for very small area's that need to be filled like around the eye . I forgot where i heard of this and will try and find it. Reniar
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Dr. Meronk uses fat from the pubic area or belly button for eyelid hollowness. http://www.drmeronk.com/hollowed/hollow-eyelid-pearlfat.html
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That's a free fascia fat graft. Note how the pearls have the little blood vessels in them.
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Guaraldi at al., Facial Lipohypertrophy in HIV-Infected Subjects Who Underwent Autologous Fat Tissue Transplantation, Clinical Infectious Diseases 2005; 40:e13–5 offer this--
"Antiretroviral drugs may impair lipid metabolism enzymes..."
"brown fat, which has a higher mitochondria content, could be more prone to lipohypertrophy"
"the preferred subcutaneous harvest site should be the abdomen or the pubis region"
In Miller and Popp, Fat Hypertrophy After Autologous Fat Transfer, Ophthalmic Plast Reconstr Surg, Vol. 18, No. 3, 2002, the patient presented with an overgrowth on her forehead 10 years after her fat transfer but after a recent weight gain of 15 lbs. They wrote:
"Any patient given a lipid-rich diet after implantation will lose less bulk of the graft. Fulton et al.14 noted that intralesional steroids and/or liposuction had to be used to remove some fat in several of his fat-grafted patients to diminish graft size as patients gained weight."
From Spector at al, Lower Lid Deformity Secondary to Autogenous Fat Transfer: A Cautionary Tale, Aesth. Plast. Surg. 32:411414, 2008
"fat necrosis... can produce fibrosis, nodularity, or a fatty pseudocyst"
And in Latoni et al, Overgrowth of Fat Autotransplanted for Correction of Localized Steroid-Induced Atrophy, PLASTIC AND RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY, December 2000, they weren't sure why the patient had an overgrowth in her thigh (fat was injected to correct for steroid-induced atrophy) 15 months after her fat transfer, but they thought that it might be due to normal fat being surrounded by a leukocytic capsule. Interestingly, the patient started out with with hypopigmentation at the initial consultation, which changed to hyperpigmentation early after the fat grafting, and appeared to be normally pigmentation when she came forward with her overgrowth.
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Oh boy. That is sobering about the fat hypertrophy. I recall last summer when the PS who did my Vaser High Def lipo volunteered to inject my ab and love handle fat into my cheeks (I'm referring to those on the FACE) for free. I'm glad I said "No thanks." Cuz the last thing I'd want my face to look like is a beer belly. >:-( Also, our bodies actually *do* produce new fat cells - about 10% of our fat cells die each year in adulthood ... and would you believe 10% new fat cells are born to replace them? (read more at: http://www.smh.com.au/news/health/new-fat/2008/05/05/1209839512013.html) Yeah, well better than 25% new is all I can say. The million dollar question in obesity research is "How can we stop new fat cells from forming?" I Bug U
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Bugjune wrote: I'm glad I said "No thanks." Cuz the last thing I'd want my face to look like is a beer belly. >:-(
LOL LOL - BugJune - you are the funniest person I know - are you as funny in person? and thanks for being on this board and cheering us all up - you would be the best company on a sinking ship LOL - I am not making any analogy Miss J....
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Yes, Bug june is a wonderful writer.
As to the fat growing, I once read an article years back about a woman who had f/g to forehead and it grew and grew as she gained weight. I think it was in an eye doctor cosmetic journal.
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Larazelle - thanks for the 'pliment! I'd like to think I'm just as funny in person, but then my husband reminds me of my menopausal "moments". And for the most part, they are not funny. <:-(O) snicker. I'm bummed that my body generates 10% new fat cells each year - and unconvinced that my body sheds 10% of the old fat cells to balance it all out! But here is more proof that our bodies actually generate new fat cells over the years: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/health/research/05fat.html What fascinated me about the study mentioned in this article was that they were able to date human fat cells thanks to the above-ground nuclear bomb tests done between 1955-63. So folks my age will appreciate that the food we were ingesting during those years was... how shall I put this .... HOT? I Bug U
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Fat grafts can regenerate after removal and so can Lipomas ,odd that it says a fatty tumor wont come back -but they can come back?
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