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Well, I am chagrined to say that my hair coloring of a couple days ago LOOKS great, but I feel chumped, nevertheless. And I plan to share my concerns with my new stylist, as I'm guessing she may be in the dark about L'Oreal's relatively new hair coloring line, INOA. If you Google INOA, you'll see that it is *supposedly* a NO AMMONIA based hair coloring line that uses oil-based infusion to color the hair strands (vs ammonia or hydrogen peroxide, which MANY folks are allergic/sensitive to). Well, golly, then how come one of the KEY ingredients listed on the back of the bottle is, um, how shall I put this, "ammonium hydroxide" - which is basically ammonia in water? (Read for y'self at: http://www.organiccolorsystems.com/does-inoa-stand-for-inaccurate-no-ammonia) The good news: I have fabulous, total coverage in a very natural-looking shade of medium brown with a bit of gold. I'm HAPPY! Oh, and there was absolutely no itching or burning on my scalp when it was applied, left on for 45 min, and even massaged INTO my scalp for good measure. By contrast, the Wella line my previous stylist used on my head itched like the dickens, burned like a slow torture, and drove me NUTS. Since she is a small shop, there will be no L'Oreal INOA for her to use. My new stylist told me that one needs special certification by L'Oreal to use the INOA color line. Additional research on the web shows that L'Oreal is going to make a shift from current coloring to the INOA line over time. So I guess that means lots MORE revenue for them in the form of certification fees? Ack. Whatever. I just wanted to share this with you so you go into the salon with both eyes open. Know that even tho L'Oreal touts the INOA hair color line as NO AMMONIA, in a kind of Alice-in-Wonderland, Mad Hatter's Tea Party logic, it actually has .... AMMONIA. I wish I could tell everyone I'm a gorgeous blond with double-Ds and fabulous legs .. but, um, I'm NOT. And I have a problem with BALD LIES. I bug you.
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Well, Ammonia is NH3 and Ammonium hydroxide is NH4OH3. So when they say no "ammonia", they are referring to NH3 (liquid in bottle used for cleaning also). NH4OH3 is basically LYE. Both are different chem compounds. So, that's how they get away with saying; "No ammonia". Now, they formulate it so the NH4OH3 reacts with something else so you get NH3 ("ammonia") to get released and to react with the H202 (hydrogen peroxide). Similar marketing tactic is used by companies marketing hair straighteners for ethnic market. They say: "No LYE". However, they are just using word "lye" to mean a specific lye compound; SODIUM HYDROXIDE. Instead they use CALCIUM HYDROXIDE. However Calcium hydroxide IS a LYE compound. Hence when they say; "No LYE" that is a LIE. LOL
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there has been the no Ammonia professional hair color lines for a while, one of them is Farouk systems Chi line, i have used this on my self and it doesnt burn scalp, color is nice for brunettes, very rich. frk chithere is one trick that one of my coworkers uses on people with sensitive scalp,she puts a little bit of 7up in color formula.
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MissJ wrote:Well, Ammonia is NH3 and Ammonium hydroxide is NH4OH3. So when they say no "ammonia", they are referring to NH3 (liquid in bottle used for cleaning also). NH4OH3 is basically LYE. Both are different chem compounds. So, that's how they get away with saying; "No ammonia". Now, they formulate it so the NH4OH3 reacts with something else so you get NH3 ("ammonia") to get released and to react with the H202 (hydrogen peroxide).
Similar marketing tactic is used by companies marketing hair straighteners for ethnic market. They say: "No LYE". However, they are just using word "lye" to mean a specific lye compound; SODIUM HYDROXIDE. Instead they use CALCIUM HYDROXIDE. However Calcium hydroxide IS a LYE compound. Hence when they say; "No LYE" that is a LIE. LOL
MissJ is correct, for example Chi color uses something called as part of active ingredient Monoethanolamine ( made from ethylene oxide with some type of ammonia)
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Have you guys tried REVLON - COLORSILK - NO AMMONIA hair dye - I used it before my Beautiful Browns - Hotels in Cleveland
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I just started using Revlon-Colorsilk after reading a lot of great reviews and it is wonderful! I couldn't believe how beautiful the color came out, better than the salon treatments I got previously.
When I asked the hairdresser, who is certified to use IONA, she said if you have thinner hair it's not a good product. She didn't use it on herself because of that. It supposedly has great color but it can leave your hair flat due to it being oil based. I decided against it too.
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So! Those sneaky scientists are moving the molecules around on me! Maybe ammonium hydroxide is kinder and gentler on my scalp, cuz I felt absolutely nothing when it was slathered on. YAY! I guess it's like "poetic license" in the laboratory. Similar to the controversy around formaldehyde in the hair straightening products. ==================================== MissJ wrote:Well, Ammonia is NH3 and Ammonium hydroxide is NH4OH3. So when they say no "ammonia", they are referring to NH3 (liquid in bottle used for cleaning also). NH4OH3 is basically LYE. Both are different chem compounds. So, that's how they get away with saying; "No ammonia". Now, they formulate it so the NH4OH3 reacts with something else so you get NH3 ("ammonia") to get released and to react with the H202 (hydrogen peroxide).
Similar marketing tactic is used by companies marketing hair straighteners for ethnic market. They say: "No LYE". However, they are just using word "lye" to mean a specific lye compound; SODIUM HYDROXIDE. Instead they use CALCIUM HYDROXIDE. However Calcium hydroxide IS a LYE compound. Hence when they say; "No LYE" that is a LIE. LOL
I bug you.
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Well, ya. If you mix ammonium hydroxide with something else, you can release the ammonia in the ammonium hydroxide. Easier to just add the plain ammonia to it but they do that 'trick' when they want to say; "no ammonia" LOL. Bugjune wrote:So! Those sneaky scientists are moving the molecules around on me! Maybe ammonium hydroxide is kinder and gentler on my scalp, cuz I felt absolutely nothing when it was slathered on. YAY!
I guess it's like "poetic license" in the laboratory. Similar to the controversy around formaldehyde in the hair straightening products.
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I wanted to add an update to this ... as I've now had my hair colored with L'Oreal's INOA oil-infusion hair color 3 times over the past few months. Bummed to say ... it doesn't seem to be working that well after all! I guess my nearly silver roots weren't long enough the first time I had it dyed with INOA. So overall, my hair looked very shiny, nice and brown, NO ITCH! I was happy. But now that it's been a few months, and my hair has grown out about 1.5 inches, I'm seeing a weird striped effect! It seems that the new roots coming out are just not holding on to the color that long. And with each application, my hair has grown another fraction of an inch ... so now I have THREE quite noticeable bands of hair color right up at my part line. At the same time, my overall hair color has faded from a rich, golden brown to a kind of faded yellow-brown. ACK! I return to my stylist next Tuesday, and will ask about trying an entirely different hair coloring line. I had such high hopes for INOA. And the good news is that it caused ZERO irritation to my scalp in the application. My stylist mentioned before that once I start using oil infusion for hair color it could be tricky to switch to the old-fashioned ammonia or peroxide-based colors. But my hair is seriously looking mottled on top of my head. I believe they call dogs "brindle colored" when they have this kind of mottled hair color. I love that look ... on a DOG. Will keep y'all posted on my options, which I hope do not include "buzz cut". >:- x I bug you.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch.
They made it gentler, but it also has lost efficacy, apparently.
Good to know.
I'll be sticking with the cheap stuff.
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I'm not surprised with hair products since the same thing is done all the time with food. They tell you they removed something only to discover it's still there in another form unknown to us. It's hard to shop these days with all the lying they are allowed to do. The FDA is supposed to be looking out for us, but aren't.
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The FDA is a GIANT joke.
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God I wish they would come out with a new type of color that didnt burn scalp!! Or better yet how to keep hair from graying!
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Hennalucent? I used to use that in high school, from Sally's. I used all of the red, burgundy, brown, and black shades and they were all nice. Fading was gradual and they do not irritate or fry the hair. But hennalucent will not lighten hair.
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I had my hair dyed with L'Oreal INOA again today! But my stylist could clearly see that line of demarcation near my part. She said part of the problem was that she hadn't been "pulling the color through" alllllll the way to my ends each time. In addition, she said that she'd been conservative with the formulation, cuz I'd told her how much I loathe that reddish cast and line of demarcation that often accompanies a permanent hair dye. So, she changed the formula for my root area to make that darker, and kept the rest of it like before to pull it through to the ends. She said that she can continue to strengthen the formula to achieve a look I'd like. Um, which would be one without Pepe LePew's stripe right down the center. Ah well. I'm sticking with the INOA for now. It's still the only hair color I've used that doesn't make my scalp go Snap! Crackle! and Pop! i guess I also have to face the reality that with a semi- or demi-permanent hair color, it's going to fade. Probably faster than I'd like to see happen. The fact that the lighting in that salon made me notice a bit of turkey waddle on the neck AND some N/L lines needed Juvey is a whole 'nuther matter for me to scowl about. Is it just me, or d'ya ever notice how salons and Victoria's Secret dressing rooms have the most sinister lighting? I bug you.
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Having gray hair is such a pain, especially when you are a brunette - the gray skunk line is much more apparent. My haircut and one process color is up to $91.00 and I hear that is comparatively cheap around here but with tip, it's still over $100.00 and the gray is back three weeks later. For touch ups that I do myself, I use a salon quality color that my niece bought with her cosmetology license (Matrix SoColor) and my stylist in the salon uses Wella. I try to stretch the touch ups to once a month but if I have a performance, it has to be three weeks. And coloring definitely makes my hair fall out. What's a girl to do? I want to move to Vermont, let my hair go gray, wear baggy clothes and Birkenstocks.
And don't get me started on the lighting! I can't even look at myself and I'm forking over $100! My stylist has moved to a new location and will be seeing her in that new salon on Friday, hoping their lighting is a bit less harsh.
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rm1961 wrote:Having gray hair is such a pain, especially when you are a brunette - the gray skunk line is much more apparent. My haircut and one process color is up to $91.00 and I hear that is comparatively cheap around here but with tip, it's still over $100.00 and the gray is back three weeks later. For touch ups that I do myself, I use a salon quality color that my niece bought with her cosmetology license (Matrix SoColor) and my stylist in the salon uses Wella. I try to stretch the touch ups to once a month but if I have a performance, it has to be three weeks. And coloring definitely makes my hair fall out. What's a girl to do? I want to move to Vermont, let my hair go gray, wear baggy clothes and Birkenstocks.
And don't get me started on the lighting! I can't even look at myself and I'm forking over $100! My stylist has moved to a new location and will be seeing her in that new salon on Friday, hoping their lighting is a bit less harsh.
why don't you start dying the re-growth lighter and lighter and soon within a year or two you will have lighter hair and the regrowth won't be as noticeable - and then you can go longer times between dye jobs by using Beautiful Browns (no ammonia or peroxide)inbetween - that's what I did to my hair - I went from Brunette to light brown/quasi blonde - and my hair quality has improved about 100% - using peroxide on hair - even once every 6 weeks is damaging to the hair - I have not used permanent dye on my hair since May 2009 - but now I am thinking of using 10% peroxide and really good color (Wella) to dye my hair at the beauty school - just to give the hair some shine and oomph - to deposit color on hair is good once in a while - and 10% is not as bad for hair as 20 or 30% - Hotels in Cleveland
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would letting the grays grow out and just weaving bleach hghlights into brunette every now and then look okay? I am trying to avoid the every 6 week peroxide too. Any pictures online of what that would look like?
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I *second* all the gripes about brunettes going gray. Freakin' skunk stripe drives me mad. Mine starts showing at about the 3rd week after I have my hair colored. But! I get great results just applying a thin swipe of Roux's Tween Time Color Stick (get it DARKER than your normal shade for doing just the roots). I have it in dark brown. When my hair is towel dry, I rub it gently on all the silver new growth. Then I blow dry my hair as usual, and you simply can not see the skunk stripe! It washes off when you shampoo your hair, but if you don't wash your hair daily, you don't even need to touch it up! It's great. With Tween Time, I can go 6-7 weeks between hair colorings. That means the skunk stripe is 1/2" on either side - still covered adequately with the crayon stick! You can buy this at Amazon.com or some beauty supply stores. I bug you.
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