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Bugjune
Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:21:55 PM
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Well, I had my one-month follow-up today with the doc who did MixTo laser resurfacing on my face, neck and chest in May.

I'd had two areas that I wanted a diagnosis on: a rash-like condition that lasted just over a week on my neck and chest area (pretty much gone now) and huge, painful lips with tiny bumps along their edges.

He told me the rash-like condition was actually just sun damaged skin being thrown to the surface after the lasering. It never itched, but it looked like a rash, and OTC cortisone cream did nothing to get rid of it. I guess it ran its course (altho I have been taking 5mg of Cetirizine a.m. and p.m.).

But the lips. Yup, it's HERPES TYPE I cold sores. I am beyond furious. I had to bail out on day 4 of taking the anti-viral Valtrex, in a 7-day course, due to a severe adverse reaction to the drug. This was the black cloud that has loomed over me for a month. My lips were pretty numb from the point right after the MixTo (and THEY had not been lasered), but about a week ago, these painful, red bumps appeared.

I was somehow hoping it would just be a common peri-orbital occlusion breakout, and indeed, I think I have that going on on my chin area. I've got a derm doc app't next Wed, and perhaps will get more info on this.

I simply can NOT take any valacyclovir medication. But there are apparently 2 other classes of acyclovir med that I could try - just not now! Even my doc recommeded I "power through" this outbreak, and if I get a future outbreak, revisit the medication issue then.

Well, I just feel like a big, angry balloon, the gas of which has been let out, so I've gone farting across the room in wild spirals. Very bummed.

After my app't I had an hour-long medical grade O2 session with an aesthetician. She gently cleansed my face with Cetaphil, then brushed on a gel and applied the O2 very thoroughly all over my face, neck and chest. The treatment was finished with a capsule of Vit E and other herbs spread over the treated areas. Now I look uniformly red and oily as a hog. Not for public viewing. I am hoping that after I wash up tonight and let my skin breathe a bit, I'll look more normal tomorrow.

I am striving for normalcy - some particle of it! - at some point soon, and not weeks and weeks from now!

(I should perhaps include some of this info in my sticky on the Valtrex reaction ... cuz the saga continues at an agonizingly slow pace.)


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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:53:16 PM
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oMG. That sucks. After all that trauma with the anti-herpes cold sore medication reaking havoc, you have what the stuff was supposed to prevent? The only natural treatment I know of for cold sores is something called LYSINE ointment. Barbie girl probably knows of this too or maybe taking extra amino acid of lysine in tablet form. Since herpes is a virus, I would also put some Benataine Iodine solution on it as that is an anti viral.

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You were between a rock and a hard place. The medication made you sick and not being protected caused the cold sores. Too bad the doc did not offer you alternatives a little earlier, before this happened or maybe he had no options once you had a reaction to the Valtrex.

Sorry for your serious woes. Geez, you need a break!

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Does someone have to take the same stuff if they get a peel?

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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:02:24 PM
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Bummer...so sorry.Don't herpes heal within a week?There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Aside from the lips, chin and neck...how is the rest of your face looking?Big improvement I hope for all the suffering you've gone through.
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CRAPOLA, Bugjune! That sucks big-time. Have you ever had a cold sore in your life? If not you must have been exposed, maybe as a child and it was dormant in the nerve trunk all this time. 80% of people carry it. Most of us have had either cold sores or exposure and just never broke out. Sound like a nasty first breakout. You do deserve a break, kiddo. 7-10 days is usually the course. Yes, and take L lysine every day. You can google for the mg. dosage. So sorry to hear this Bug!!

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i feel its very important for you to worry as little as possible. this mess will feed off worry. its worry, stress and panic that bring about herpes outbreaks in the first place.
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That is so lame! As if you haven't been through enough already. Sigh.

Miss J is 100% right about the l-lysine. It inhibits viral replication, particularly well with the herpes virus. L-arginine makes it worse. Try a high lysine low arginine diet, and maybe consider getting some l-lysine injections? You should be able to get them through any naturopathic doctor or even many MDs. They may even give you some for daily home injections.

This might be a helpful link as to foods high in lysine and low in arginine:
http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml




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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:54:04 AM
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Chris K wrote:
i feel its very important for you to worry as little as possible. this mess will feed off worry. its worry, stress and panic that bring about herpes outbreaks in the first place.


What Chris K says is correct. Stress can cause an outbreak of herpes. Have you ever had cold sores before, Bugjune? And you can get l-lysine in tablet form too which really helps slow down the replication of the virus. Injections would, of course be better. Oh gee, you have having one hell of a time, but I am still hopeful the outcome will be worth it (in the end!)
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Is your immune system vulnerable right now? I used to get cold soars when I was a small child and I never got another breakout again until I went through cancer treatment as an adult. The doctor told me that since the treatment was weakening my immune system the dormant virus came up again. Went away when treatment stopped & I haven't had another breakout since. Maybe your body is fighting off a bad cold & that's keeping your immune system too busy to fight off the herpes.
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Yes, I have to take the anti-virals before every peel, Miss J. Any type of 'insult' like this puts stress on the body which can cause the herpes break out.

Here's the thing, yes, emotional stress can cause herpes/cold sore outbreaks when one has not had any type of resurfacing done. BUT, if you break out after these types of procedures it is generally because of the stress on your body lowering your immune system's ability to fight the virus causing it, not necessarily from emotional stress. One (emotional stress) we can do our best to control but the other is a physical reaction to the stress on our body by the procedure.

You can be the most Zen person on the earth, but if your body is stressed out by something like the resurfacing it's likely gonna do what it's gonna do (unless you are able to take the anti-virals and even they are not 100%). For some of us that means a cold sore break out and for those never exposed to the virus, they're fine. When I was a kid and would go to the beach and have a GREAT time, no worries but would get badly sunburned (nope, my mother never put sun lotion on any of us, it was not a big deal back then)causing my skin to peel horribly, I would have a horrible outbreak of cold sores. The docs called it 'sun poisoning' and whoa would my lips blow up like balloons and I would look as Bug has described (baboon butt mouth). Back then, I was not stressing but my body sure was under stress. In Bugs case, her body was physically stressed severely from the anti-viral reaction along with the resurfacing, she could likely not have avoided what has happened (since she carried the virus)by sitting on top of one of her mountains meditating until now. This was most likely caused by the physical stress to her body, along with the emotional stress from the reaction.

Since you're already broken out, Bug, trying not to stress more will help. Emotional and physical stress do make them worse. Try to relax and think about how much better things will be by this time next month. Allow your body and mind to accept it won't be overnight, but in the end it will all pass and things will be much better.

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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:06:39 AM
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Thanks MissJ - yes, I have read about the Lysine ointment, and I appreciate your tip about Benataine Iodine, too. Yikes indeed.

I was thinking about you during my facial yesterday. The gal was a beautiful Hungarian! She'd married a pro soccer player, had a couple of kids, moved all over Europe, then settled in the Bay Area. She says Hungarians are spa-nuts! And that they pride themselves on beautiful skin.... as hers evidenced.

I'll keep y'all posted on the steps going forward. Oooops! I TRIPPED again.

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oMG. That sucks. After all that trauma with the anti-herpes cold sore medication reaking havoc, you have what the stuff was supposed to prevent? The only natural treatment I know of for cold sores is something called LYSINE ointment. Barbie girl probably knows of this too or maybe taking extra amino acid of lysine in tablet form. Since herpes is a virus, I would also put some Benataine Iodine solution on it as that is an anti viral.


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Bugjune
Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:10:43 AM
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This type of cold sore typically runs its course in 10-14 days; but how OFTEN it recurs is the question here. And it's contagious!

Right after my facial, my face was uniformly red all over. But today, my lips look more normal and feel better. I am getting a Rx for Biafine (at another poster's suggestion), and that should also help with the redness, as it is a cream used for post-radiation skin inflammation.

Thanks for the good vibes ... NEED 'em!

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Bummer...so sorry.Don't herpes heal within a week?There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Aside from the lips, chin and neck...how is the rest of your face looking?Big improvement I hope for all the suffering you've gone through.


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Bugjune
Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:12:23 AM
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Yup, yup, and YUP! I have the biggest battle at about 3am, waking up and .... let's not even get into the scenarios that come to mind at that hour.

I am a great believer in POSITIVE thinking and even visualization, but GOD is it tough to practice what I preach.

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i feel its very important for you to worry as little as possible. this mess will feed off worry. its worry, stress and panic that bring about herpes outbreaks in the first place.


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Bugjune
Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:14:30 AM
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Wouldn't a health food store also sell the pill form of L-lysine? My doc had said to increase my Vit-C intake ... but when I did that in the first few days after the procedure, it just seemed to give me mouth sores on my tongue really quick.

I will be seeing my GP doc this coming week, too, by God!

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barbiegirl wrote:
That is so lame! As if you haven't been through enough already. Sigh.

Miss J is 100% right about the l-lysine. It inhibits viral replication, particularly well with the herpes virus. L-arginine makes it worse. Try a high lysine low arginine diet, and maybe consider getting some l-lysine injections? You should be able to get them through any naturopathic doctor or even many MDs. They may even give you some for daily home injections.

This might be a helpful link as to foods high in lysine and low in arginine:
http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml


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Bugjune
Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:20:19 AM
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LOTS of wise words here, DCNGA.

Yes, I'd read about the sun being a big trigger, too, so I will have to watch that ... even as I live at 6200', like a raw yolk sitting in a frying pan, all summer long.

I will absolutely HAVE to get a handle on the emotional stress component. I also wonder if the procedures I'd staggered throughout the year (Vaser lipo in Aug, several sessions of sclerotherapy, one session of Gemini Iridex on face in Dec) could also be like hammer blows. Maybe my body is just saying, "Ah, shrivel up and DIE, wouldja?"

Very disconcerting.

But just the fact that I have the diagnosis, have 2 more doc appt's lined up, am OVER the MixTo, and HAVE ALL YOU GUYS here to help with advice and positive vibes .... dammit I'll get through it.

I'm definitely paddling in rough seas with a toothpick.

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Yes, I have to take the anti-virals before every peel, Miss J. Any type of 'insult' like this puts stress on the body which can cause the herpes break out.

Here's the thing, yes, emotional stress can cause herpes/cold sore outbreaks when one has not had any type of resurfacing done. BUT, if you break out after these types of procedures it is generally because of the stress on your body lowering your immune system's ability to fight the virus causing it, not necessarily from emotional stress. One (emotional stress) we can do our best to control but the other is a physical reaction to the stress on our body by the procedure.

You can be the most Zen person on the earth, but if your body is stressed out by something like the resurfacing it's likely gonna do what it's gonna do (unless you are able to take the anti-virals and even they are not 100%). For some of us that means a cold sore break out and for those never exposed to the virus, they're fine. When I was a kid and would go to the beach and have a GREAT time, no worries but would get badly sunburned (nope, my mother never put sun lotion on any of us, it was not a big deal back then)causing my skin to peel horribly, I would have a horrible outbreak of cold sores. The docs called it 'sun poisoning' and whoa would my lips blow up like balloons and I would look as Bug has described (baboon butt mouth). Back then, I was not stressing but my body sure was under stress. In Bugs case, her body was physically stressed severely from the anti-viral reaction along with the resurfacing, she could likely not have avoided what has happened (since she carried the virus)by sitting on top of one of her mountains meditating until now. This was most likely caused by the physical stress to her body, along with the emotional stress from the reaction.

Since you're already broken out, Bug, trying not to stress more will help. Emotional and physical stress do make them worse. Try to relax and think about how much better things will be by this time next month. Allow your body and mind to accept it won't be overnight, but in the end it will all pass and things will be much better.


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Bugjune
Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:24:15 AM
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Yes, the doc who saw me yesterday speculates that Valtrex knocked my immune system OUT - and that was evidenced by a secondary staph infection on my lasered skin plus the fever that crept up to 103.7 over 4 days.

Pisses me off that phucking Valtrex clobbered me one way, then doesn't even prevent the very thing it's meant to. Even antibiotics aren't that lame.

And BTW: you barely look adult yourself! I saw your pix of the cheek ... you look about 21! But I'm glad you are out of the woods with the Big-C!

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Is your immune system vulnerable right now? I used to get cold soars when I was a small child and I never got another breakout again until I went through cancer treatment as an adult. The doctor told me that since the treatment was weakening my immune system the dormant virus came up again. Went away when treatment stopped & I haven't had another breakout since. Maybe your body is fighting off a bad cold & that's keeping your immune system too busy to fight off the herpes.


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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:27:29 AM
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Thanks Shaz - wanna trade years? Nah, didn't think so. Yes, I had chicken pox as a kid, and that alone is what planted the herpes virus in my central nervous system, where even now, it is scurrying up and down the stairs, ordering other healing particles aside, setting up a big mansion for itself, replete with crystal chandeliers. I want to kick its ASS big-time.

Will look into that L-lysine .... better google it first to see the SIDE EFFECTS, fer crissake.

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CRAPOLA, Bugjune! That sucks big-time. Have you ever had a cold sore in your life? If not you must have been exposed, maybe as a child and it was dormant in the nerve trunk all this time. 80% of people carry it. Most of us have had either cold sores or exposure and just never broke out. Sound like a nasty first breakout. You do deserve a break, kiddo. 7-10 days is usually the course. Yes, and take L lysine every day. You can google for the mg. dosage. So sorry to hear this Bug!!


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I'm so sorry BugJune. Cruel irony that you got cold sores when you were allergic to Valtrex. I bet you'd be a lot less angry if you'd got something else in no way connected to the Valtrex.

As many people have asked - have you ever had cold sores b4?

And if not, can just childhood chicken pox cause cold sores when you're physically stressed?

Is it really the same herpes simplex virus I? You'd think we'd all have cold sores.
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BugJune -

Like the rest of us I am SO SORRY you had to go through this - I never had chicken pox as a child - and worried about getting it as an adult because its more dangerous then - so when the vaccine for adults came out I got it ASAP - I do hope you are feeling better today - after all that we have read about your laser misadventure I am thinking twice about getting this procedure - I think I escaped unscathed doing Fraxel but I am thinking twice about lasers now - also you have that lovely light skin which is ideal for any laser stuff - I am olive toned and on top of all the other stuff that could happen with lasers I will have to worry about hyperpigmentation - LOL
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