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Thanks to all for your feedback, especially M130 - I am so sorry to hear about your experience, but unfortunately, I suspect you are part of a large populus of uninformed patients. Perhaps I sound paranoid (or watched too many episodes of Nip Tuck) but I wish there was a way to have a watchdog during surgery.

Thanks, I think the "switcheroo" happens much more than we know, e.g.,

http://www.kpho.com/news/23509145/detail.html

m130,
Because I was in CA and had made an appointment with Dr. Daniel before I had heard your story, I went to the consultation anyway. He seemed REALLY concerned about making my nose "natural". I kept thinking, does natural have to mean an undefined blob as a tip? lol
You were right on though. His style must have changed. He wanted to raise my tip angle a bit and my bridge (which I think would look good) but did not want to break my nose and thin it at all. Thank you for the info and good luck to you!!! :)

Dr Guyuron does not like scoops. he is also very conservative with tip elevation.

Haworth does like himself a little scoop and tip elevation.


this "Monica" character at Haworth's office is a crafty little broad. don't get me wrong, i love a crafty person.

Daniel is still one of the docs who will give the type of nose you like (which I like too on some people)--the smaller sculpted one. It's not as if he is 'refusing' to do those types of noses but one needs to make CLEAR they want that. The new nose trend these days is for the stronger 'natural' nose and he's probably getting pressure from associates to go with that trend or new style. But he is still one of the few docs who can give the smaller nose.

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Thanks for the update, I was wondering how it went. "Undefined blob", yep, well said.

It is unfortunate he wasn't interested in getting a really refined result for you. Did he want to do a crushed cartilage-fascia burrito on your bridge? He seems to like doing that.

Here's a total rebuild he did in 2008 -she posted about it on her other blog:
http://ermadoesnotlivehere.com/2010/02/13/happy-valentines-day/
- there is a better view in the post after this one.


OK I have hijacked Peresephone's thread way too much, but wanted to repeat her,


- me too, P, me too.

Well put Chris K.
M130, Dr. Daniel said he wanted to use septal cartilage to make a strut to raise my tip and he did indeed want crushed cartilage to raise the bridge. He said his ideal result for me would be both "cute" and "elegant". M130, did he ask you how tall you are? He was in the middle of examining my septum to see if I have enough cartilage left when he stopped and asked how tall I was. I just wondered how that related to my nose? lol
Dr. Daniel did NOT want to break my nose again. As you pointed out Miss J, my nose isn't even straight (it kind of curves out on one side). Therefore, I think it is necessary to break the bones again. When I expressed concern, he said he didn't want to make the nose TOO small.
Thanks Miss J! It is good to know that Dr. Haworth really did do her nose. It's a shame that his employees are not forthright. His work speaks for itself. There is no need to "scheme" in order to get new patients.
Persephone, good luck to you! I think you can't go wrong with either Dr. Guyuron or Dr. Haworth. I hope you plan on consulting with Dr. H in person though. I think then you will see more before and afters and will know more if his type of nose suits you.
I have not consulted with Dr. Frankel. The before and afters on his website are terrific. He probably would have been one of my next prospects but I really think Dr. Haworth is "the one" for me and a consult with Frankel would require all the expenses that go along with another California trip. If anything "comes up" to detour me from Dr. Haworth though, Dr. Frankel will probably be my next consult.

Yes, multiple times in the consults. I eventually figured that it was a) probably to get me to shut up, and b) because he likes to "tailor" the nose to the height. He talks about doing that in his books, anyway.

I overheard him say to his minions that one lady in there was 5'2", so he could do a petite nose on her. The girl who sued him had in the court papers that he told her he would do a "cute" nose on her, so this is standard talk from him from what I can tell (he didn't say anything like that to me, though).

He again asked me my height the morning of my primary, when I was trying to talk to him. He was pretty grumpy and irritated that day, and running late.

My ride said "you talk to much" to me, so maybe that's another reason I had so many problems... like I annoyed the Hell out of him, who knows? It IS a good question for getting people to shut up, because normally the only reason other people ask that is if they like us.

I agree with Improved, you really are pretty. I totally understand why you want to recapture the cute look you had earlier in life from your photos, though.

One other thing he said on the horrific revision day was, looking at the drawing I did, "we could have done this, if I'd done you open the first time"... ugh... he COULD have done what I wanted, but no. It was possible, but no. He is just SO mental, when he doesn't need to be.



I felt that way with Daniel's staff, as well, and they acted as gatekeepers. I called quite a bit anyway. Scarily, I think there was someone here who had their surgery cancelled by Guyuron's office because the staff there said the person called too much. OK, I just ran a search, it was cosmo, there's a 7-page thread in this section from december 2008.

I would rather have been cancelled than go through what I did! I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I agree about the educational process.. but maybe some of us want to know more than the regular patient. I mentioned the Cottle sign when I was talking to D and he said, "don't know too much." This is not ALL surgeons, though. I think the younger ones are more OK with it, as long as you are not getting things incorrect.

I agree with you. he's not a pics guy. all his pictures are in medical books. the thing about Guyuron is when you consult with him, you get this immediate feeling of trust and competency. you don't feel the need to ask tons of questions. you just know that HE knows better than you do, about your face. and if he likes you, he will try his best to perfect you.