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can botox help with lines that are horizontal under the eye?
i have one line that bothers me when i smile.
and a few that come on the peri-orbital rim.
funny this is only on my left eye!
right eye is clear.
even though it's not in the crows feet area, the dr. i consulted with says there is really nothing that can be done with the horizontal line and botox. but injecting the crows feet area might lessen the line somewhat if some of this line is caused by contraction of the crows feet.
he also said that the horizontal line is mainly caused by cheek movement and by paralyzing the cheek it will look like i had a stroke!
as for the peri-orbital lines that are diagonal, he says they will be helped somewhat by the crow feet injection, but maybe not to my satisfaction!
can't he just inject right into these lines to stop it from forming?
i have seen alexis stewart (martha's daughter) get injected online by pat wexler and she injected a dot in the middle right under the lash line!
what does that do?
does anyone know the best way to stop these lines on the peri-orbital rim?
does what my dr. say sound right?
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Can you add restylane under the eye to make it not have such a difference in height with the cheek? I had a line like that and when I went for my fat touch-up he added fat under the eye and now the line is gone. But I have a feeling that it won't retain as much as I'd like and then the line will come back at which point I will add restylane there.
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I've had Botox injected right in the center of the lower lash line, as you describe. It does smooth out the horizontal lines directly beneath the eye, but it has the side effect of slightly pulling down the lower eyelid, so that white shows under the iris. You can inject Botox all the way around the orbital muscle, as far as I know -- and this will smooth out any lines in the area. So I'm not sure if I agree with your doctor's suggestion that the cheek muscle is wholly responsible, but I don't know if I'm accurately picturing the location of the line you wish to get rid of.
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cindy79 what happened was i had f/g under the eye but right in the center did not take in the long run.
this january 5th, i decided to try to have juve injected to that area. and my whole orbital rim swelled like a sausage! two weeks later i had to remove it all with hyaluronidase (from another doctor). my ps did not use the enzyme... i forgot about the properties of juve and its attraction of water while fat did not. it could have been the injector though...
parisienne yes! that is exactly where they are. but only toward the corner of the orbital rim and below the crow feet area. right where the orbital rim meets the upper cheek.
i will tell him to inject around the orbital rim and ask him about the center lower lash line. i hope he does it!
thanks to you both!
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Hi Rev,
I had the area you mentioned injected for the third time just 2 days ago. Right under the center of my eyes and on my outer corners under the lashline. I don't have visible lines at rest, but have in that area "crinckling" when I smile that I didn't like. He was hesitant at first because of the eye white showing and also he said that if he comes too close to the muscle (don't know which one) you can get cross eyed from it. His solution was to do micro-botox as he calls it. He explained to me that he dillutes the botox much more than when injecting in the forhead or between the eyes to minimise the risk of the eye white and the cross eyes. The only disadvantage is that because it is dilluted it wears off sooner. Hope this helps! J.
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Hydroxyboy wrote:Hi Rev,
I had the area you mentioned injected for the third time just 2 days ago. Right under the center of my eyes and on my outer corners under the lashline. I don't have visible lines at rest, but have in that area "crinckling" when I smile that I didn't like. He was hesitant at first because of the eye white showing and also he said that if he comes too close to the muscle (don't know which one) you can get cross eyed from it. His solution was to do micro-botox as he calls it. He explained to me that he dillutes the botox much more than when injecting in the forhead or between the eyes to minimise the risk of the eye white and the cross eyes. The only disadvantage is that because it is dilluted it wears off sooner. Hope this helps! J. Does this open your eyes up a little and make them look any bigger while at rest?
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Maybe a tiny bit, but not much. I just took a good look and will do so again when it has completly kicked in. Will keep you posted. Ryan wrote:
Does this open your eyes up a little and make them look any bigger while at rest?
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thanks guys
i asked him about that "center lash line injection"
he said it does open your eye up more. this can be seen esp when smiliing
he did not think it lessens the under eye horizontal line though
he said the horizontal lines are caused by vertical movement (cheek up and down) and the vertical lines caused by horizontal movement (squinting---crows feet)
they have a perpendicular relationship
it made sense
anyway, he did inject only crow feet area though and not on the orbital bone more in side the cheek area
i see young people have these faint lines there as well...no crows feet but vertical (well curved lines) on the outer part of the cheekbones...
they are actually under the crows feet area and more "in"
he said injecting the crows feet will help diminish movement there, though
i hope so!
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I went to my injector today and asked his question (because I thought of your question). She's a national trainer and has been doing injections since early 90s. (BTW, she started having Botox in 1989 and the woman has ZERO lines on her face. The wrinkles simply never formed, remarkable and she's probably over 50). Anyway, she said that this is a tricky area and the patient has to be chosen carefully. She said that if a person has a weak lower lid, it will cause the lid to pull down more. She also said if the patient is prone to swelling, that this area can cause prolonged swelling for 2+ weeks. She also said that she does it for one of the people in the office to OPEN her eyes as she has smallish eyes and wanted them to look bigger. So, I guess if you have a skilled injector and you are not prone to swelling, it has the possibility of being a good option for lower lid lines.
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thankx d
that makes sense.
my new derm also said that laser (forget it!) and/or chemical peels work best for horizontal lines in this area.
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I'm just going to add my own 2-cents' worth - mainly for the over-50 crowd. I swear to God that Botox makes the malar bag area worse. I've had about 3-4 rounds of Botox injections over the past 3 years in the area of smile lines under my eyes and eyebrows. I think for me, the smile line injections are DISASTER. I don't know how the outer edges of my lower eyes are connected to my malar bag area, but they must be. Cuz within about 3-4 days of getting the Botox injections in that smile line area, I'd notice HUGE, crinkly, crepey malar bags! The bags would drive me to absolute distraction for easily 6-8 weeks. Then slowly over time, the puckery, puffy bags would simply diminish. I've made a point of noting this phenom since my June and November injections. Both times: HUGE bags! And I bet there is even a correlation between my posts here on frustrating bags and those injections. Point is: go carefully with Botox! I bet if I asked my PS (whom I pretty much trust and respect a lot) about the relationship between Botox injections in the smile lines and malar bags I'd be hooted out of his office. But seeing is believing ... and I am just not going to have any more Botox in my smile lines (by the eyes) again.
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