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Well, LSL had a lot of ENT type 'Facial plastic Surgeons' on their roster. It's not as if the doctors had no training in surgery to the face. The problem is THAT type of business model. Doctors keeping current with techniques could easily do something like that. All it is is combined separate procedures to the face with some f/g added. All it is is something where he wants doctors to pay him a fee to be able to use the name 'refresher lift' or to get patient referrals from his website. He's putting a trade mark name on a combination of procedures that really are NOT unique to him. Using the marketing model of a SCAM company is NOT a good thing at all. NancyS wrote:Well...I immediately thought of Lifestyle Lift, they seem to be copying their marketing model. BUT this doctor does say pracitioners must be certifed by the MS Board of Plastic Surgery, have conducted 500 cosmetic surgery procedures, use accredited facilities, receive special training under the head doc. They distance themselves from LSL, saying this is a facelift with longevity, not a "mini-lift." I wish their pics were not taken in different light, without/with makeup, so soon post-op. This really hurts their credibility. Also the "before and afters" are hard to compare the way they have them set up to "go back and forth."
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CG that looks like near a full coronal scar if you ask me.
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What they are doing is giving the impression or 'buzz' that it is 'a' lift. It's NOT "a" lift. It' a bunch of COMBINED procedures. Like it could include a brow lift, blephs, cheek lift, face lift, neck lift and a variety of other things depending on the case. By looking at some of those patients, they had the works. So the business model includes kind of 'baiting' the patient with the IMAGE of "a" lift or a TYPE of lift. They look at the photos and say: 'wow'. Fact of the matter is the photos they are saying 'wow' to patients who have had a LOT of combined procedures---not just some kind of lift.
Thing is, you would need to get those boat load of procedures with the same doctor and sometimes it is better to 'job out' different parts of face to docs who are really good with that particular part. So, in effect this is a way to sell MULTIPLE PROCEDURES to patients via the same doctor for which the 'bait' is a new 'type' of trademarked lift.
THUMBS DOWN from Miss J.
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Besides all the procedures, the first woman's skin looks remarkably better. The text says it's due to the fat graft. Can a f/g really make the skin look that much better? I suspect the soft tan lighting and a laser procedure are partially responsible.
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It can help. but who knows if she had other skin programs along with it.
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My own 2-cents' worth: this doc proves that reincarnation DOES exist. Cuz from what I read about the procedure, the skin is just excised and pulled outward in all directions. This is what the very first face-lift techniques employed were like 100 years ago! It even says that the skin is lifted up from the underlying muscles below - so my guess is that those tissues and muscles stay put in their lower, saggier position. Yes, the woman looks 18 now. And I'm guessing she also got some lip-plumping in addition to the fake tan. Looks good. But let's check in with her about a year or 2 down the road and see where that skin is. The reason traumatic procedures like SMAS and deep plane lifts were invented is cuz someone actually studied the human anatomy and figured out that the tissues AND skin have to be lifted, with excess material cut off and fat pads repositioned. That's why facelifts for folks over 50 are pretty serious stuff. The stem cell injections sound a bit more "out there" to me. Where do they come from? Should I have saved my umbilical cord? Too late! It was tossed out 54 years ago - but maybe it's morphed into an eternally youthful me on top of some garbage dump. Hey, I'm just a lemonhead and I probably bug you. I Bug U
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What did it say about stem cells? I can't find anything about it on the page
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FGs contain stem cells. So, I'm guessing if stem cells are mentioned, it's because of the FGs they perform, along with the other 100 procedures they do on one person's face, contain stem cells.
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Did anyone read this page on the site: http://www.refresherlift.com/explanationsTo me it doesn't look like a simple procedure.There's a doc in my area who does a similar procedure that I consulted with....vertical lift they call it and his before and afters look good too.But yes...time will tell.
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Hi, WTM. It was hard to wade through all of the info on that site. Thanks for posting the link. I will post in some of the 'technical' info. If you notice, though, he says this or that procedure along with or in conjunction with the refresher lift. So, as Miss J mentioned, I think this is just a marketing plan to get someone in to see one doctor who sells the patient on multiple procedures and is misleading in that one thing (the lift) does not accomplish all of the things in the B/A pics. Plus, IMO, good/top docs don't need this kind of marketing to get people to come in and then have multiple procedures. Their reputation and good work stands for itself over time. IMO, how many more new ways are they going to come up for doing a FL?? I mean really, it seems unless they find a way to stop our face from caving in on itself about all of the new techniques have already been discovered. There's only so much you can do with a face and the good docs already do all of that stuff without resorting to this type of marketing gimmick to attract patients. At least that's the way I see it. REFRESHER LIFT TECHNICAL INFO Quote:The mechanism creating the strong vertical uplift of the Refresher Lift is based on an obliquely directed (lateral canthus to base of earlobe) inverted C, elliptically shaped smasectomy, starting with a pie shaped excision of the lateral periorbital orbicularis and finishing with a similar excisional wedge of the superolateral platysma in the sub-tragal area. The strong quasi vertical uplift of the malar pad is achieved with a near/far slipped auto-locking knot running suture. Prior to this step, a gathering auto-locking purse string suture is used to elevate the superolateral platysma and the lower smas in a fanlike fashion, and secure them to the rigid pretragal smas (this suture may extend in the neck when needed, toward the supraglottic area tightening the mid platysma).
In some cases, when a substantial superolateral malar uplift is needed, and only a minimal fat pad laxity is present, a subperiosteal malar undermining accompanied by a strong transfixing suspension suture anchored to the temporal fascia is added to the smasectomy.
Closure of the orbicularis resection consistently improves lower lid posture. The small lateral canthal dog ear created by the vertical uplift is reduced by syringe liposuction of the subcutaneous malar pad. Squinting lines are reduced by a punch avulsion of the lateral periorbital orbicularis. Enhancement of the medial sub orbital fill hollow is achieved at the end of the procedure with 4 to 5 cc micro fat grafting placed below orbital rim and under the periorbital orbicularis.
A receding hairline belies all rejuvenating efforts. The Refresher Lift maintains a youthful temporal hairline because the hairs are never displaced behind or above the superior ear sulcus. This is achieved by using a sharply beveled, wavy, intra, or retro trichial incision, designed to minimize the displacement of the temporal hairline or sideburns. The post-tragal incision is refined by a one sided Z-plasty.
When no anteroposterior neck tightening is needed, the post auricular sulcus absorbs the dog ear resulting from the superolateral cheek skin transfer. When a more substantial lateral neck skin redraping is needed, a beveled, wavy intra and/or retro trichial incision is designed following obliquely, the nape of the neck.
The most common ancillary procedures performed in conjunction with the Refresher Lift are intraconjunctival lower blepharoplasties with a 35% TCA peel, corset platysmaraphy to correct prominent band, pre or sub platysmal fat excision, and repair the platysmal sling with a strong slipped knot, auto locking suture. Our dual plane brow lift is commonly performed to restore an elegant and dynamic framing of the eyes.
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I think they will come up with some kind of elastin suture that will be similar to a thread lift, only made of organic material.
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It describes what a variety of doctors could do given the problem. On another note, my own PS's procedure that he pioneered; Feldman's "corset platysmaplasty" is under the umbrella of this marketers TRADEMARK lift. It's likely other good PS's signature surgeries are also worked into his TRADEMARK lift.
Although Feldman's corset platymaplasty is not trademarked (because many doctors just elect to share information to further advancements in PS), it just goes to show you that given the process involves a bunch of multiple surgeries and given that the techniques of them could be traced to specific doctors (other than the doctor trademarking all together as a "refresher lift"), patients electing for multiple surgeries always have the option of 'jobbing them out' to the specific doctors who are known to be good at those parts or they may wish to STAGE out the surgeries with their choice of doctor.
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Indeed. It's NOT a simple procedure. It's a variety of MULTIPLE PROCEDURES marketed to the patient as one thing; the "refresher lift" watchthemoon wrote:Did anyone read this page on the site: http://www.refresherlift.com/explanationsTo me it doesn't look like a simple procedure.There's a doc in my area who does a similar procedure that I consulted with....vertical lift they call it and his before and afters look good too.But yes...time will tell.
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"What’s more noticeable is the skin tone which looks more like the skin of an 18 year old rather than a 48 year old woman. This effect is created by stem cells that we inject in the face (along with the adipose tissue) which creates new capillaries that increase the blood supply to the skin and creates this skin glow."
OK, it sounds like they're saying that the "stem cell effect" is responsible for her "suntan" in the after pictures. So is the stem cell effect also responsible for transforming her neck and upper chest regions to a darker shade (even though the cells were injected only into her face)? Also, maybe the stem cells turned her hair from gray to blond?
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Maybe the "stem cell effect" is from the liquify option that comes along with photo shop.
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Fat is a very rich source of stem cells (google it),if they are extracting the stem cells from the fat then injecting those cells along with fat that might explain the difficulty with finding the doctor who does it in this country? Stem cells regenerate cells and cause more blood vessels to grow wich makes the skin more vibrant and thickish.
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mich wrote:Fat is a very rich source of stem cells (google it),if they are extracting the stem cells from the fat then injecting those cells along with fat that might explain the difficulty with finding the doctor who does it in this country? Stem cells regenerate cells and cause more blood vessels to grow wich makes the skin more vibrant and thickish. Well, I'd still like to know if the purported benefit of the "stem cell effect" extends to one's neck and upper chest when only the face is injected. If so, then how far down does it go?
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saveface, I understood your question was a RHETORICAL one. As you realize the f/g to the face is not going to seep into the neck and upper chest.
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MissJ, yeah I understood, but I thought Mich was implying that the benefits of stem cell injection could account for the improvement in tone across all of the woman's visible skin. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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No I was only talking about the area around the fat graft.
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