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so I have been taking 500 mg Calcium Carbonate vitamin pills and I have heard that the body does not absorb it as much as Calcium Citrate - is this true - also what should I be taking? I was drinking milk in the past but it has a lot of carbs and I am trying to restrict my carb intake
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Maybe Barbie will explain further but you also need Magnesium with the Calcium as there is a proportional relationship with calcium/magnesium--like you need both for the calcium to be effective--also Vitamin D and phospherous (which is easy to get in diet). Calcium citrate is something where the calcium is more easily released--mild acid salt of calcium.
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500mg of Ca isn't very much, escpecially of calcium carbonate. You are corect, Calcium citrate is absorbed much better. There are also a lot of other factors- if the stomach is acidic enough to ionize the Ca (a lot of people take too many antacids to properly ionize their minerals for absorption), Magnesium, Vit D, too much or too little Phosphorus (as Miss J pointed out)-most people have too much which actually leaches Ca from the bones, to much or too little protein and even having a too acidic body pH level. The best thing would be to take a balanced calcium citrate, magnesium and vitamin D liquid supplement at bedtime. Seroyal makes a really good one called CalMag. Milk really isn't the best source of calcium, despite all the propoganda out there. It actually acidifies the body and contains too much phosphorus, creating a net loss in Ca. Better, more bioavailable sources are figs, dark green leafy veggies, sesame seeds, almonds and fish with the bones.
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Miss J and Barbigirl:
I am aware of the calcium/mag symbiosis - I take 500mg(CA) and 250mg(Mg) twice a day - so I get about 1000mg - I get them from CVS when they have their 2 for 1 deal -
Barbie girl - I was very surprised about milk not being a good calcium source - and figs being one - its SO much easier to drink a glass of milk than to eat green vegetables though LOL - however I'm trying to lose weight and I can lose it very easily if I reduce my carbs - milk has a lot of carbs - so I have stopped drinking it - now I have to find some good calcium tablets - Barbie girl - do you know of any brands I can buy - that have calcium citrate istead of carbonate?
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Milk isn't good for weight loss either, it is full of nasty hormones that make people gain weight. Milk really isn't good for you at all IMO. Seroyal makes a good liquid Ca/Mg/Vit D supplement, one of the best on the market. Lorna Vanderhague also makes Osteo Sense capsules, but get the liquid if you can, it will be absorbed better. You want about 1200mg of Ca over the course of a day. Carbs are not evil... sigh. Just eat lots of non starchy veggies, moderate lean protein, moderate low glycemic carbs and moderate quality fat(everything organic of course) in 5 little balanced mini meals through out the day. Lots of pure clean water. No silly crash diets (ask Ryan about the lectures he has gotten from me, lol).
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hi barbiegirl,
could you tell me if milk/yougurt/dairy products that are organic still have the issues with hormones that you mentioned above? i switched to organic thinking that that would take care of the hormone issues but i would be interested to learn more.
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Organic dairy woyld not have the same hormonal/antibiotic/toxin load as conventional milk. It will still have some though; the cows natural hormones and environmental toxins/hormones etc. Honestly I would really try to avoid dairy and soy "dairy" as much as possible because neither one is good for you. Try unsweetened organic almond, rice or hemp milks/cheeses/yogurts instead.
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Hemp milk tastes horrible, but I got a little high from it!
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stache wrote:Hemp milk tastes horrible, but I got a little high from it! LOL! Almond milk is by far the most palatable of the three in my experience.
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I'm guessing this is not the CalMag you meant, LOL: http://www.planetnatural.com/site/cal-mag.htmlCan you provide a link to the one you recommend, as I just saw this thread and posted to you in another that I have problems swallowing the giganto vitamin pills? Thank you!
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Also, is all of this true? http://www.rense.com/general87/mg.htm
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No, lol. This one: Cal Mag Liquid by Seroyal http://www.rockwellnutrition.net/Cal-Mag-Liquid-by-Genestra_p_208.html is really good. It is a professional brand, so it is unlikely that you will find it in health food stores. Pure Vitamin D drops http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=VDL are also very good and I personally use them as well.
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Some of it is true, large amounts of Ca can cause constipation and large amounts of Mg can cause diarrhea. For most people the 2:1 ratio Ca:Mg is ideal, some need 1:1, it depends entirely on the person. Diverticulitis is caused by poor eating habits and consitpation, not from Ca/Mg imbalance unless the constipation is caused by a Ca/Mg imbalance. Typically it is multiple factors.
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barbiegirl wrote:LOL! Almond milk is by far the most palatable of the three in my experience. That's good to hear. My nephew's physician recommended almond milk (he said he's too young for soy products) and a dairy-free diet experimentally, because he has severe allergies. My parents, my brother-in-law, and my sister still continue to give that boy dairy. Stubborn idiots.
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HideMe wrote:barbiegirl wrote:LOL! Almond milk is by far the most palatable of the three in my experience. That's good to hear. My nephew's physician recommended almond milk (he said he's too young for soy products) and a dairy-free diet experimentally, because he has severe allergies. My parents, my brother-in-law, and my sister still continue to give that boy dairy. Stubborn idiots. I would stick to plain unsweetened organic rice milk for your nephew. Almond milk is pretty allergenic too (IgE allergies).
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barbiegirl wrote:Organic dairy woyld not have the same hormonal/antibiotic/toxin load as conventional milk. It will still have some though; the cows natural hormones and environmental toxins/hormones etc. Honestly I would really try to avoid dairy and soy "dairy" as much as possible because neither one is good for you. Try unsweetened organic almond, rice or hemp milks/cheeses/yogurts instead. thanks barbie girl! :)
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I don't think supplements are necessary when the diet is good. The USA RDA is jacked up because of the pre-existing diet. Japanese recs for calcium are much lower. The important thing is calcium balance. A net positive is critical. Potential renal acid load is one predictor of calcium balance. Generally the higher meat, higher grain diets with low vegetable content have a negative calcium balance and the US solution is to throw more calcium on it. Eat more vegetables, especially the dark leafy greens, and you won't need supplements for calcium. I get about a gram a day from diet alone, also weight bearing exercise is great. But I do eat lots of greens.
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kosmeds wrote:I don't think supplements are necessary when the diet is good. The USA RDA is jacked up because of the pre-existing diet. Japanese recs for calcium are much lower. The important thing is calcium balance. A net positive is critical. Potential renal acid load is one predictor of calcium balance. Generally the higher meat, higher grain diets with low vegetable content have a negative calcium balance and the US solution is to throw more calcium on it. Eat more vegetables, especially the dark leafy greens, and you won't need supplements for calcium. I get about a gram a day from diet alone, also weight bearing exercise is great. But I do eat lots of greens. In a perfect world, they wouldn't be, however we live in a world of soil depletion, poor digestion and long transit times from field to plate. I have an extremely good, balanced diet, yet I still need to supplement for optimum health. IMO, most people benefit from a well balanced multi, EFA's, digestive enzymes and probiotics. After that supplementation needs are very individual.
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It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that the best nutrition- based strategy for promoting optimal health and reducing the risk of chronic disease is to wisely choose a wide variety of foods. Their latest statement on supplementation is here: http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8409Soil depletion and long transit times from field to plate have not been shown to be appreciable health hazards. But older people do benefit from B12 supplementation as they lack sufficient intrinsic factor. People who have had bariatric surgery have to supplement. I do supplement for D because I don't want to damage my skin to get enough of it. But I'm very skeptical about taking a pill for anything that can easily be obtained from the right food choices. I guess it's more difficult for people who have an aversion to the produce section, which is admittedly most people.
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