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Dr. Dover is one of the best.
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And that says a lot, coming from a laser opponent ;)
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Yup. But, most of my issues are with IPL and ablative lasers. Still, don't know if I would have just any PDL as I'm now afraid of those too, now. It's scary out there.
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I'm with you on IPL. I have no first-hand experience with it, but my opinion is that it's being marketed for too many conditions and it doesn't seem to be the first-line treatment for any of them. It's not even a laser, it's basically focused broad-spectrum light from a lamp.
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Yes, if you can go to his practice and get HIM to do it himself. DCNGA wrote:Dr. Dover is one of the best.
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Yes, I recall that problem you had MissJ. Sounds like he's gotten too big for this "breeches" as my good ole granny would have said.
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Well he's worked hard to get there. He's a busy guy. I think he operates just once a month.
He does trial studies, gives lectures, writes books, etc. and leaves the easier procedures to other staff.
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Well, yes he does that and I have always liked reading his papers and used to go to his talks. But since the MO is to give the patients going in there for 'Dover' to the staff, in my case, it was not one where I, myself, would have selected the staff member given. In my case, when I get something, I'm very very Dr. specific as in wanting to make the choice of which provider does something.
How did you get HIM to do it himself and not someone else?
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I think in my case it was an invasive procedure -- the deepest peel you can possibly have -- IV and all. The liability was much higher, and so was the cost, 10x-20x as much as a VBeam for example. But for non-ablative procedures, I'm not that particular about whom I go to.
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Now that I think about it, I think they tried to schedule me for Kaminer at first... They're all great dermatologists, I'm sure.
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Kaminer, think is a top doc at the practice though.
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If I make an appointment to see a particular doctor, THAT is the doctor I expect to see and perform any procedures I might have scheduled. If that is not going to be the case, then I'll wait until I CAN see THAT doctor for my appointment and procedure. Otherwise, why bother to go to THAT doctor? We all pick out our doctors (especially for cosmetic procedures) for particular reasons and the doctor I choose is the doctor I damn well want to treat me. If that's not possible, then I need someone to tell me up front and I simply will find a different doctor or wait until the doctor I want to see can see me.
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Maybe it's a matter of availability. They're trying to give you the earliest appointment and also to keep everyone's schedules balanced. MissJ wrote:Kaminer, think is a top doc at the practice though.
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I agree 100%. Any procedure that you have can have complications even PDL, therefore if I made an appointment with a specific physician, I would be really pissed if I got there and they tried to shove someone else on me. I am not saying that I would have a complication with someone else, but its just the principle. DCNGA wrote:If I make an appointment to see a particular doctor, THAT is the doctor I expect to see and perform any procedures I might have scheduled. If that is not going to be the case, then I'll wait until I CAN see THAT doctor for my appointment and procedure. Otherwise, why bother to go to THAT doctor?
We all pick out our doctors (especially for cosmetic procedures) for particulars reason and the doctor I choose is the doctor I damn well want to treat me. If that's not possible, then I need someone to tell me up front and I simply will find a different doctor or wait until the doctor I want to see can see me.
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Well it's easy to get out of a situation like that -- you walk out or reschedule.
As far as bait & switch tactics go, I've had procedures where I was started by my doctor and finished by someone else. Now that I don't appreciate.
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Yes. That's true KenCarson wrote:Well it's easy to get out of a situation like that -- you walk out or reschedule.
As far as bait & switch tactics go, I've had procedures where I was started by my doctor and finished by someone else. Now that I don't appreciate.
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Zoey: I've had 14 V Beam/pulsed dye laser treatments with 3 different providers, and I never experienced fat loss. The settings are variable of course, but Pulsed dye lasers target the hemoglobin in the skin. I doubt you could heat the skin up enough to cause fat loss with a pdl, but I guess anything is possible in untrained hands. It works great for spot treatment of thread veins and red dots, altho there are other machines for that too. A low-powered radiofrequency device at the derm will do the same thing altho I think there is a slight risk of hypopigmentation with that method, I would imagine certain skin types are more prone to that than others. The Varilite is a laser also used for that. If you have diffuse thread veins, all over, IPL in a series will also take care of that done properly. (i've done that too, 19 times, going on 20). HTH ;o) Bridget Zoey wrote:Fat loss, that's not good. I thought that only happened with Thermage. Did it happen all over the face or just in a certain area? I wonder how a certain model could cause that. You would think they are all similar. Is it possible that it happened because the treatments were on too high of a level. Was it the Cutura model? I could not find any info on Qutera. Did you need more than one treatment? Where were your capillaries? Thanks! DCNGA wrote:For me, PDL worked quite well. I know there have been reports that the Qutera PDL has caused facial fat loss.
My derm uses an older model. He also told me that a test area should be done first, to make adjustments as bruising from PDL happens rather rapidly. He said no one should bruise from PDL if it is done correctly and the area is test first. I did not bruise one iota, just had some "rolling" swelling that lasted about 24 hours and was gone.
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Well, it's been over 3 weeks and I am slightly red (diffuse redness) in 70% of the areas where I was treated. It almost looks like the hemoglobin from the tiny veins on the face have moved and congregated to other nearby sites instead of being removed. If this is the outcome, then I have to say the "VERY EXPENSIVE" treatment was a failure and in the future I would definitely look for a provider that offers a non purpuric PDL. Why go through all this downtime and end up with a sub-optimal result. Has anyone heard of the redness lasting this long?
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Zoey - Yes, I've been that red for that long after a purpuric PDL sesh. In fact I have had to wait up to 6 weeks before I could really see the improvement. And than it was all worth it.
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Thank you so much for answering me. I've been quite upset over this, especially since I was charged ALOT for a treatment in a small area. Now I feel much better and will wait it out without focusing on it everyday. Amber wrote:Zoey - Yes, I've been that red for that long after a purpuric PDL sesh. In fact I have had to wait up to 6 weeks before I could really see the improvement. And than it was all worth it.
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