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Offline MissJ  
#1 Posted : Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:56:57 PM(UTC)
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Chin Wing Tutorial. A Tale of 2 chin wings.

I've drafted out a 'mini' tutorial about chin wings. Although it looks 'simple', it took a LOT of effort to reduce a lot of technicalities with it as to make it simple and straight forward. That is the art of my tutorials. Usually they are private and for $$ (and highly catered to ONE unique individual) but I'm making this one public. Why? Because I'm noticing that some folks are getting that but are NOT good candidates for it and there is enough GENERAL info to predict whether you will be happy with it.

Took gads of time trying to upload it here so it was readable. My system kept REJECTING it because the file size was too big. But when I put it on my Google drive, that was linked to my MIT edu account and I don't use that for my message board.

The tutorial is in the form of a 'story' and based 2 characters; Bob and his brother Bip. Bob is a candidate for custom jaw implants and finds out that after a chin wing, it does not work out well for him. Bip is a candidate for max fax and gets implants instead and that does not work out for him. BOTH are AVERSE to getting the the types of surgery they are 'on target' for because they get swept up in successes of patients who ARE on target for the surgeries neither Bob nor Bib are good candidates for.
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Offline Greg  
#2 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:04:17 AM(UTC)
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Fantastic tutorial!!
Where else but here could one have access to such sophisticated and helpful information??!!
Applause
Offline MissJ  
#3 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:02:04 AM(UTC)
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Thanx Greg.

The file size for it exceeded what was allowed by the board settings which is 585 KB. Someone trying to help put it up on Google drive and from there, you could see the WHOLE thing at full size and scroll down to read it. But I was advised NOT to give the link but to download from there and the KB size would fit here. He helps with 'computer stuff' (which i don't understand) and I guess that Google drive thing was connected to MIT edu alum account which could be seen via the link. He kept on saying he REDUCED the file size to 503 KB ( I guess in Google tool) but it kept on being rejected when I tried to attach here because here and on my photo edit software said it was 829KB and not 503. I finally found some way to reduce it so it fit; trial and error, about 20 X attaching it where the board said 'file exceeds maximum file size of 585'. But still, it does not show on board as FULL size so one can scroll down on the document and read it that way ON the board. The original size of 829KB was much better but the board settings would not allow that size to be attached--not even to shrink it down in the display. Anyway, I wish someone could give ME a tutorial on some of this 'computer stuff' I don't understand.

As to the tutorials, I would like to do more on different topics but would not be able to figure out, for the life of me, how to add such large file sizes to here. When I do them privately, the large file sizes can be attached via e mail.
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Offline MissJ  
#4 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 2:26:52 PM(UTC)
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The Not so 'Bobsy twins both get chin wings'.
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Offline MissJ  
#5 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:44:13 PM(UTC)
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A REAL LIFE example of a 'not Bob'.
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Offline ditterbo  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:00:43 PM(UTC)
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Can I have my skull taken out of the crypt now? I promise to behave this time! Lol
Offline MissJ  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:09:06 PM(UTC)
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No. I need to use the brain in it for tech help. lol


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Can I have my skull taken out of the crypt now? I promise to behave this time! Lol


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Offline MissJ  
#8 Posted : Monday, July 2, 2018 8:44:36 PM(UTC)
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I'm refreshing this post to the chin wing tutorial so more people see it. It shows too small on the board but when it's downloaded, I THINK it shows in it's original larger size. It's just a very BASIC tutorial that shows 2 sides of the spectrum, one being the type of jaw line contour that benefits the least from it and the the type that can benefit the most. The irony about the chin wing procedure is that those who would stand to benefit the LEAST, want it the most and those who 'need' it the least benefit from it more.
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Offline Greg  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 3, 2018 3:13:16 AM(UTC)
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Regarding the two blue lines, I see that the blue lines form an 'angle' at their front....such that the procedure closes/reduces the angle of those blue lines in the after, as compared to the before. Is the procedure done with a specific mathematical/numeric target angle for the blue lines to be achieved? Is there an ideal blue line angle, for a male, that would equal the most aesthetically pleasing jawline? (I realize there are other aspects of the jaw that contribute holistically too, and personal preferences, but my question is focused on the 'ideal' mathematics )
Offline Greg  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 3, 2018 3:15:05 AM(UTC)
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and thanks again MissJ for excellent tutorials like this one
Offline MissJ  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 3, 2018 10:26:16 AM(UTC)
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The illustration of the chin wing (one type of) comes from here:

UserPostedImage

It is the type where the jaw is 'dropped down' but chin projection stays as is. The angle between the bone cut just shows that the drop distance increases progessively, the more you go towards the back. That is the nature of the angle shown.


The angle formed by the blue lines in both before and after is just there to show a DECREASE in the 'slope' of the jaw line. In essence to show that a WEDGE is 'dropped down'.

The illustration just happened to be a good one for a real person (in X rays) who COULD get that type of displacement from a chin wing IF he wanted a 'decreased slope'. However, the jaw in the X ray, certainly does not 'need' the surgery. Also, since the whole cut segment is NOT brought forward, there is no increase in the bluntness of the posterior jaw angle as would be the case if the whole segment were also advanced forward.

As to the jaw angle itself, THAT angle is formed by the RAMUS of the jaw and the MANDIBULAR BODY. As to 'ideal' mathematics or ideal jaw angle, that's kind of beyond what I'm wanting to show in this simple tutorial. But if you wanted to look at that, you would take one of the profile 'golden ratio' masks for profile for an estimate. It's about 126.



Originally Posted by: Greg Go to Quoted Post
Regarding the two blue lines, I see that the blue lines form an 'angle' at their front....such that the procedure closes/reduces the angle of those blue lines in the after, as compared to the before. Is the procedure done with a specific mathematical/numeric target angle for the blue lines to be achieved? Is there an ideal blue line angle, for a male, that would equal the most aesthetically pleasing jawline? (I realize there are other aspects of the jaw that contribute holistically too, and personal preferences, but my question is focused on the 'ideal' mathematics )


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Offline maybellineo  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 4, 2018 11:11:28 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for working so hard on this Miss J.


Maybellineo
Offline MissJ  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 4, 2018 11:52:39 AM(UTC)
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And thank you maybellineo for your contributions that help me do so.

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Thanks for working so hard on this Miss J.


Maybellineo
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Offline makingchoices  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:20:17 PM(UTC)
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this is amazing MissJ! - I'll be studying it for a while - thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
Offline MissJ  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 4, 2018 8:45:30 PM(UTC)
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LOL, I don't think this procedure is up your alley though. It has more of an appeal to young males wanting bone cuts instead of implants.


Originally Posted by: makingchoices Go to Quoted Post
this is amazing MissJ! - I'll be studying it for a while - thank you for the time and effort you put into this.


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