Thanks for your suggestions.

So far, skin has contracted nicely after each ML, nothing loose or sagging.

The only areas I feel might benefit from pulling are:

1. lateral brow to straighten eyebrows and reduced hooding at outer corner of eyes.
2. upper neck area to eliminate tiny amount of loose skin at chin/neck junction.

Its probably still premature to pull any other areas and most docs advised against any kind of lift.

Some even advised against lateral browlift because it might not look natural and even lengthen face. Others said necklift might damage proportions (balloon on a string effect).

So if I do any pulling, I wanna make sure its from a doc with great big picture sense (eg Guyuron) and/or mastery in the field (eg Marten).

Some of it.

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Seems a little scary to me, because different lipids would have different temperatures for freezing/destruction. Results might depend on what you've been eating!

Saw Hoenig again about 5 weeks ago. He did another round of 5fu and we scheduled a micro lipo (ML) session 3 weeks later for which he blocked-off over an hour and was gonna charge over 2K. But when I showed-up, he analyzed my face for awhile and felt last 5fu session had made enough subtle improvement so that ML session would not be worth doing. So, he still gave me the full time slot but ended-up just injecting more 5fu and charging $80.

I may do endo lateral BL with him in future during which he might be able to cut out a bit of fat from my right temple and flatten my cheeks a bit with the lateral pull which would be included. One of the girls in the office had an endo BL w/him recently and she looks pretty good.

He didn't cancel. If I had insisted, he was willing to go ahead. But he felt at my stage, it might not do any good. Perhaps he can take out a bit of fat if I do endo BL.

Dr.H is not a fat graft removal expert,he just got this title somehow.
Maybe becasue he always says" that is easy to fix a little microlip will do the trick"-welcome to a treadmill of procedures.
He is just out there learning like the rest of them through trial and error.
Maybe in the next 10-20 years he will be the expert we need him to be.

Do you think any docs are fat graft removal experts yet? Perhaps Carraway? Just curious.

I do think 5fu has been very helpful in managing the stubborn internal scarring which is often a byproduct of fat grafting, at least for some of us. And wasn't Hoenig the first one to gain traction using it on unhappy FG patients?

Carraway predates Hoenig with regard to microlipo for fat removal. As to 'traction', well I guess that's just a matter of someone on boards going to Hoenig and being vocal about it.

As for 'traction' for removing 'STUFF', Hoenig gained traction for removing Bio-Alcamid. However, one patient wanting that from him, reports he's no longer doing it.

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5fu does not kill the problematic fat parcel,so you will still have to deal with that eventually. He also mixes steroid in his 5fu.

Remember, vitually all my face and neck area was FGed including nose via 3 sessions and I've already been through 2 ML sessions. So I had a lot of fat and presumably much internal scarring compounded by the ML.

By now, I've had several 5fu sessions too, some before I started the ML. The goal of those 5fu sessions was to eliminate as much internal scar tissue as possible for easier and more effective ML.

I did have 5fu injected broadly. Dr. Hoenig would grab my cheeks and under eye areas, squeeze around with his fingers, then inject at areas where he felt there were localized lumps. This last time, he also put some in my right temple. He avoided the jawline, chin, and neck area which is fine because this seems to bave corrected best from the lipodissolve and ML alone. He was concerned about potential beard loss in some of these areas from 5fu.

Now the only area where I could ever feel a scar lump was the one I mentioned before -area about half an inch to the left of my left lip corner. Hoenig injected this aggressively with 5fu and Carraway sucked at it during second ML session. It seems to have virtually disappeared by now. Very happy about that.

Quote was mid 2,000s. But for patients who have also have fat removed from eye area (not me) where he goes through eyelid (a riskier procedure), it is separate and a bit more than the standard ML. If you do both, I believe he charges 100% for most expensive one and 50% for second and any additional procedures.

Hoenig has a lot of good B/As around his office and in his computer which are not on his website. But I believe his wife is currently designing a new and more current one (I think the one online now is over 10 years old). Hope they put it up.