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Posted: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:37:36 PM
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I've developed blue veins under my right eye and right hand side of my forehead. It looks dreadful. Would there be any danger removing them e.g. stroke, tissue death etc?
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I asked my derm about blue (vascular) veins and I think I recall it was a type of Alexandrite type device that he uses but I cannot remember what type. He said it was not PDL or IPL but I can't remember what it was. I decided to live with the one beside one of my eyes (in temple area to right below outside corner of my right eye) rather than risk a device on my face.

I don't know how you remove them without scarring.

Here's what Berman has to say on the subject:

http://www.bermanmd.com/procedures/skin/blueveins.asp




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Posted: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:01:40 PM
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I thought some type of solution was injected into facial veins to remove them???
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those are great before and afters DC. They seemed to have more broken caps after but a massive improvement

DCNGA wrote:
I asked my derm about blue (vascular) veins and I think I recall it was a type of Alexandrite type device that he uses but I cannot remember what type. He said it was not PDL or IPL but I can't remember what it was. I decided to live with the one beside one of my eyes (in temple area to right below outside corner of my right eye) rather than risk a device on my face.

I don't know how you remove them without scarring.

Here's what Berman has to say on the subject:

http://www.bermanmd.com/procedures/skin/blueveins.asp


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Posted: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:19:28 PM
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Kimberly wrote:
I thought some type of solution was injected into facial veins to remove them???


Kimeberly, sclerotising fluid isn't used on larger veins in the face - just smaller - but yes, on the body. Works well on the legs
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Mine looks like this one:

http://www.bermanmd.com/before-after/coolglidelaser/blueveins12.asp

Berman was not explicit in what laser he is using, but tthe B/As link says "cool glide laser" in it. So here is the info on the Cool Glide;

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The Cool Guide Laser by Altus Medical Corporation is a long pulse of 1064nm Nd:YAG laser designed to treat leg veins, facial blood vessels, and remove unwanted hair. This laser is the first of its kind to successfully treat larger veins on the legs that were previously only treatable with sclerotherapy (injections).

The Cool Glide laser produces laser light at a wavelength of 1064nm. This wavelength allows treatment of deeper vessels. The duration of each laser light pulse can be varied so that the light is selectively absorbed by blood vessels in the skin. The laser causes heating of the blood vessel which clots the blood within the vessel. This causes destruction of the blood vessel. A chill tip is attached to the laser to help minimize complications from treatment by the laser. The chill tip cools and protects the overlying skin.


This is not what my derm uses and my experience with more ablative yag was not good. This one sounds like an IPL to me, but I could be wrong.

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Posted: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:48:41 PM
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Yeah, like barely visible:) Swap you that for my broken caps!

DCNGA wrote:
Mine looks like this one:

http://www.bermanmd.com/before-after/coolglidelaser/blueveins12.asp

Berman was not explicit in what laser he is using, but tthe B/As link says "cool glide laser" in it. So here is the info on the Cool Glide;



This is not what my derm uses and my experience with more ablative yag was not good. This one sounds like an IPL to me, but I could be wrong.
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Berman makes it sound simple. I would love to have that done on a couple of small veins.
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had it done a few months ago

had both eyes done...underneath the eye and on the peri-orbital rims

the one on the right peri-orbital rim did not fade
the one on the left did

the many thin ones under both of the eyes did fade but for under one eye coming out of the corner
ALSO
in the corner of both eyes i got a blister....which have faded but also after 1 month "something" disappeared from underneath the skin leaving an indent in the upper tear trough area of one eye

it didn't happen immediately it took a good month. i say "something" disappeared cause i am not sure if it was fat or what is called a gel-like substance by some that is under the skin.

anyway, my plastic surgeon who used to do my botox had to fill the area with juve but she said the laser which was a non-ablative coolglide melted the fat in that area

i have to say, initially i had one pass on the peri-orbitals and the outer under eye then i waited 6 hours and came back for a check up in which i had another pass but this time i asked to do the inner corners since i had straggly blue veins extending out of or into that very thin area....

i was taking a risk with this second pass IMO since the skin is very thin there and the laser gun was too bulky to even get to it but it managed to get there and i wound up with 2 blisters in both inner corners

initially it seemed like the laser was done on each vein individually but then during the second pass it seemed like the whole under eye was being passed over....
oh by the way i was told that the laser gun was too bulky to reach the inner eye area but i said what if i pulled the lid down....in other word, i "pushed" for the laser to be used there

a lot of the veins disappeared but was told to come back if they reappeared or didn't fade as much as i would like in the next year FOR FREE!!!!

like i said very nice

anyway, the other eye with the blue vein on the peri-orbital rim did not disappear though and i just had it filled with very little resty underneath it and now it is barely visible!!
i guess the resty is covering it or the water retention from the resty is.

looking back, i am of two minds: one, due to the laser experience, i learned a lot and found another doctor that only does injectables so i am grateful
two, i don't think i will ever do laser again under the eyes

although i do think there is less risk doing this on the outer peri-orbital rims or sides of the eyes if they come back or appear there

oh, on a somber note, my ps said that she advised against one of her patients who had fillers throughout her face having a laser treatment to her face for fear the laser's heat would cause the water retained in her face due to the fillers to boil and burn her!!!! and that this pertains to ablative and non-ablative

i know everyone is different when it comes to laser experience and

not to scare you but if you have any fillers in you face that retain water be careful.

hope this helps

the skin center was very accommodating though
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Anyway, my plastic surgeon who used to do my botox had to fill the area with juve (she over filled and did not use hyaluronidase in her practice, another story) but she said the laser which was a non-ablative coolglide melted the fat in that area



Your PS said something I've never known ANY other PS to admit to. I have about 60 people who would love to have heard a doctor admit this to them after having IPL (which sounds very similar to the Cool Glide) to their face.

You are fortunate, Rev3, to come out as well as you did. Sorry you had problems.

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oh i know dcnga

i am so grateful, you do not know!!!!

she is very honest with me and we developed a personal relationship

i usually learn best through experience though and not warnings, as i went for this blue vein laser treatment AFTER she told me
a story about someone she did fat grafts to and after 6 months the person went against her advice for a laser treatment someplace else (though i forgot which one) and she came back not burned but the fat melted!

as you can see, i'm a risk taker...

but i have learned a lot from your posts to me

thank you

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it's good to know what kind of lasers work. I would like to know, however if these veins are needed for facial/head circulation or are they simply a result of rosacea, which I have. My concern is if they're removed, would that cause any kind of circulation problems to the face, temple-head region?
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First glance, I would say no because if you read the description of what the Cool Glide does to the veins, they are virtually choked off after the laser is used on them. Not much difference in shutting them down (no blood flow) with laser than taking them out, IMO.

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i have had the "vein wave" with a lot of success but last time the ps felt emboldened to crank up the power and there are definite divots/depressions now. I THINK these depressions are filling out, or I have stopped noticing. Either way - low energy, even if it means more sessions, has to be the way forward, no??


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First glance, I would say no because if you read the description of what the Cool Glide does to the veins, they are virtually choked off after the laser is used on them. Not much difference in shutting them down (no blood flow) with laser than taking them out, IMO.
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I was just at my PS' office this morning, we did just a little of this and that (Juvie and Botox)
Since my F/L I have had two veins pop out under each eye and some light veins along the jawline.
His nurse showed me the YAG laser, said it hurts like a rubber band and would take 1 session, 20 minutes, for around $250
OO and they put those very creepy shields in your eyes.
I am game for this but I know zip about lasers.

He said if we just went ahead and put some Juvie or gasp maybe some Sculptra under my eyes when I have a volumising with more Sculptra later in the year, he'd feel better about not exploding that vein as it is now and causing big time bruising all along that side of my face.

Yag experiences anyone?

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I am so anti-laser/cosmetic device/IPL, etc. I will be quiet and let others answer, Jenny.

Paul, some of those who've had issues with IPL had dents, divots, etc. that never resolved had low intensity treatments, so not sure that is the answer.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:56:57 PM
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you might be right - i guess i just escaped beforehand whereas last time there was some definite problem. My broken cap area is pretty specific too - just the nostril area, I can imagine being much more upset if I swa the same kind of changes anywhere else on my face..

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I am so anti-laser/cosmetic device/IPL, etc. I will be quiet and let others answer, Jenny.

Paul, some of those who've had issues with IPL had dents, divots, etc. that never resolved had low intensity treatments, so not sure that is the answer.
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I had a fire in my home a couple of years ago and had to outrun a backdraft. That was fun. I just made it -- but ever since that moment, I have had prominent blue veins popping out under my eyes! I have researched quite a bit and always ended up with the conclusion that vascular surgery to tie them off is probably the only option for blue veins under the eyes. I remember reading that they can be connected to the brain and chemical treatment is not safe, etc. Lasers were not considered effective for these types of veins, but I'm not sure why. I am not really that keen on surgery for this, so I stopped researching there. HTH
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Posted: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:17:50 PM
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The blue veins on my temple region did appear after my ill-fated surgery. I've been treated for rosacea on the cheeks and nose with laser but it does come back. I'll check with my derm again to see what else can be done. He's a laser pioneer so he likes laser...
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