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MissJ
Posted: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:20:32 PM
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Hi, PJS.

Since you lodged an open post elsewhere about your troubles getting on to my board, I'll be responding to your statements HERE.

On YTF, you tell the audience there: "Apparently there is a message board war going on that I'm unaware of."

What you need to tell them is that YOU are the one trying to instigate message board wars. Be sure to alert them to your post on Dean's board:
http://members4.boardhost.com/rhinoplasty/msg/1262444560.html

where you say: "I'm going to do my damndest to get this board shut down."

Now really, how can someone who says something like that claim to be unaware of message board war UNLESS THEY are the ONE trying to instigate such.

Clear to me that you are an instigator and a a trouble maker.

and yes--your account is suspended. I DON'T want your type of energy on my board.



http://missjfacialplasticsurgery.com/missjforum/yaf_postsm66958_PM-Issues.aspx#66958

I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



MissJ
Posted: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:56:11 PM
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An another open message to PJS:

You, a TOTAL STRANGER to me on the internet with whom I have never established ANY open relationship with on ANY message board, wrote me an UNSOLICITED e-mail entitling yourself, without question, to my private TIME, to focus on your problem. You dumped the issue of your Sivad vs ImUIrot "saga" on me as to involve me in this.

You were told: "I don't give private advice outside of a private client /ps consultant relationship. That is to say, private advice from me personally is not a 'gratis' extension of the general public advice on board."

You SOLICITED me for private ps consulting to be rendered to you, a total stranger on the internet, with whom I have never established any open relationship on any board and entitled yourself to my time and focus as to 'expect' it just because you e-mailed me an unsolicited DUMPING of your problem on to me.

Guess what PJS. I'm not obliged to solve the problems of strangers on the internet in private on my dime and in my time. It's my shot to call WHOM I volunteer my time and info to and for the most part, my time and info is divided between MEMBERS of MY board and private clients of which you are neither. I don't know about you but I don't work for free unless it's a worthy cause.

For people like you who I don't know from Adam, ENTITLING yourself to MY time and focus in a private venue and offering $$$0 in exchange for that , what I offer is 0 private help. I think that is a fair and ethical exchange. If you're not willing to invest in my time and focus to avail information catered to your specific case, why should I invest in that FOR YOU?????

Me thinks you need to question YOUR ENTITLEMENT ISSUES and not my 'ethics'. Lets see, you entitled yourself to threaten to close Dean's board down and then you entitled yourself to use another's board to gripe about your not getting on to mine.

The fact that you made an issue about me, a board owner who is not backed by any commercialism and has no history of such, requesting a donation as to put a spin on that to ask; 'Is this ethical' on another board (and are still doing so) coupled with the fact that you openly expressed on Dean's rhino board that you would do your best to "close that board down" resolve to your being a TROUBLE MAKER.

PJS. Guess what the suggested $10 contribution WEEDS OUT of my board???? TROUBLE MAKERS.

I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



MissJ
Posted: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:19:28 PM
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Yet another entry I shall respond to. Your entry on Deans board that I charge for private help.

Salient fact of the matter PJS, is there is NO amount of money you could pay me to give you any private assistance and no amount you could contribute to my board to be a member. That said, it follows that any gratis help from me in a private venue or any invitation extended to be a member here is OUT OF THE QUESTION.

All and any of your comments on other boards resolve to SOUR GRAPES that you have been REJECTED for any entry on my board and for any chance for private advice from me. So any 'charges' of the NOTHING YOUR GOING TO GET in terms of any advice for your issues that would draw from any of my resources resolve to $0.

Fact of the matter is that I could solve your problem and by doing so, save you countless thousands of dollars in more revisions. If you did not think that was true yourself, you would not have written me for private advice.

Problem is that I WON'T PUT UP with your ENTITLEMENT issues. Your NOT entitled to benefit from what ever private info I have at hand to solve your problem just because you know I could solve it and just because you expect it for nothing.

Entitle yourself to griping about me on other boards if you like. But lets face it; all that resolves to SOUR GRAPES of MY being HIGHLY SELECTIVE of whom I will offer help and whom I will reject and you did not make the cut.

Here's what I'm entitling you to: The chance to screw up on your own, (again) and pay countless of thousands of dollars in that repeated process of multiple revision surgeries. That's going to cost you a whole lot more than the cost of information that could prevent that from happening. So think about that because THAT'S going to be a whole lot BIGGER problem for you in the long run than your having sour grape issues with my not working for you for free.

Good luck with the free information you will be slapping together for your self in the absence of any help from me because that's what you will be needing.

I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



kk25
Posted: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:45:42 PM
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MissJ I do not understand why this people target you in such a cowardly manner, because imo you are the nicest and most knowledgeable and helpful person out there. it is truly a shame when an person takes out their frustration on another , specially when they target someone as nice as you MissJ.








MissJ
Posted: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:49:18 PM
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kk, that type always has ENTITLEMENT ISSUES to what they are NOT entitled to.

Last harassing e-mail I got from them was a threat. They were given a cease and desist and I forwarded documentation of such to my legal guy.

I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



MissJ
Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:40:07 AM
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PJS
Re: your recent post on YTF

Harassment on your part involves your sending me private e-mails such as; "I'm going to sue you", "report to attorney general" ect.

TOTALLY UNWARRENTED subsequent to my telling you there is a $10 contribute to my site (for anon entities I have established no prior relationship elsewhere)

Dupe their readers all you like. Act 'innocent'. But your last e-mail to me, in addition to your various entries calling into question my ethics of requesting a contribute and likening it to criminal activity IS HARASSMENT. Especially when you write me a private e-mail threatening to "sue me".

Your e-mail was forwarded to my attorney because an e-mail to me that says: "I'm going to sue you" and then accuses me of criminal activity for requesting a contribute or criminal activity because I don't render private services for you for free resolves to an admission of 2 things:

1: You wish to pursue litigation.
2: Your e-mail expressing your desire to "sue" is part of harassment on your part

You were told to have YOUR LAWYER write to MINE because that's how threats such as yours have to be handled.

Just post a note on YTF if you would also like me to post your private threat to me and my response to it. But really, I'm wondering WHY you don't do that yourself.

Let's face it, when you write me an e-mail threatening to "sue me" because I did not provide you with my services or resources for free, that's a type of harassment. I believe my 'accusation' in this regard is WELL GROUNDED on the FACTS.


I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



MissJ
Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:19:05 PM
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To SweetAimee:

Sweet amie,

I see you are taking an active role in fueling the fire of PJS. This is clear due to your giving her UNFACTUAL information as to fear monger.


My response to your post of:

"If a webmaster posted your real email it puts you in danger. From your email address anyone can easily get you IP then go to IPwhoIS.com and they can get a map to your house. Doing a reverse check gives them your phone number and family members names. The reason I know for a fact is this is the exact thing happened to me when I had to be blunt about not wanting to meet a persistent guy on my fb. I felt scared and exposed to find out it's so easy to get a persons actual address."

A reverse check on an e-mail can ONLY be done when that person sends you e-mail. In which case the IP is ON the e-mail track headers. An e-mail address alone will NOT give the IP number of the owner of the e-mail addy. The owner of the e-mail addy would actually have to SEND someone an e-mail for the recipient to get their IP number from it. Otherwise, someone just viewing what the e mail addy was can't get their IP.

With regard to getting the actual ADDRESS of someone from their IP number alone:

ISPs will not give this information out to just anyone. Typically it will require legal actions, as part of some kind of police or court proceeding, to get the ISP to release the information.
So can you get a name an address from an IP? Yes ... if you have the legal backing to go get it. Otherwise, if you're a regular person just trying to track something down on your own, you simply cannot get the information.

(from AskLeo.com)

That said,ONLY with LEGAL GROUNDS, one can obtain the home address from an IP. The legal grounds for doing so would be to send them a certified letter from an attorney in the event they lodged an e-mail saying; "I'm going to sue" and lodged it along with accusations of criminal activity.

PJS sent me an e-mail threatening to SUE me and also accused me of engaging in criminal activity.

She attributed my asking for a contribution or informing her that I don't render 'gratis' consulting services as akin to criminal activity and THREATENED to "sue" me for that.

That WILL NOT be tolerated by me.

If you would like to continue your support to PJS and fueling the fire this way, I think that Marianne should be made aware of which person from which IPs use multiple screen names to further fuel the fires of controversy and which screen names on her board have a very high likely hood of being the same multiples (with different names) that I have experienced. No webmaster appreciates multiple screen name use whether or not you are 'doing it for their own good' as was the case presented to me when I confronted a multiple screen name user here.





I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



MissJ
Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:28:48 PM
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and to Ken:

board owners have the right to: "ban, expose, trace, report, press charges ..etc" when there is harassment.



I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



stache
Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:56:58 PM
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As I recall Marianne was very much opposed to multiple handles.
MissJ
Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:21:45 PM
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PJS
I shall continue to respond to your contentions. You contend:

"The fact that she made my email address public on her website says it all. "

No. What says it all is the FACT that you devoted yourself to

A: Taking issue with my INITIAL very polite e-mail to you explaining my policy and then making it a PUBLIC ISSUE
B: Misrepresented what the issue really was
C: Misrepresented it in such a way to lead readers to the conclusion I was 'unethical'
D: Effectively accusing me of a type of criminal activity by virtue of my requesting a contribute from you
E: Likewise, effectively accusing me of a type of criminal activity by virtue that I told you that 'gratis' personal advice from me in a private venue is not an extension of my public entries
F: Sending me an e-mail accusing me of criminal activity, threatening to report for such followed by an "I'll sue you"

You openly made a public issue along with accusations of legal wrong doing when I effectively told you I had the SAME RIGHTS as any other person which is to NOT WORK FOR FREE or decline requests that I do so. Why on earth would you entitle yourself to my work product to solve your problem and expect that for nothing and why on earth would you make it an issue of possible illegal activity that I DONT GIVE personal private advice outside of a client/consultant relationship.

I've also been informed that you e-mailed one of my members requesting her private photos. It is clearly on my TOS policy that new sign ups who have NOT established an open public relationship with any member of my board refrain from sending e-mails or PMs 'siphoning' them for info. Your account was suspended subsequent to that. Yet despite my TOS policy for new members to REFRAIN from PMing active members or e-mailing them for info UNLESS they have PRIOR ESTABLISHED an OPEN on board relationship, you entitled yourself to doing that and then led your captive audience there to believe you were banned for 'no reason'

Webmasters ONLY expose the e-mail addies of TROUBLE MAKERS and harassment is one of those things.
Although my TOS policy does not spell that out as well as the YTF policy does on their TOS, I make clear in my TOS policy that I reserve the right to use similar policies standard to these kinds of boards.

In light of the circumstances, I am requesting that you provide an OPEN APPOLOGY on the board you are misrepresenting the situation and calling my 'ethics' into question.

I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



Sue
Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:47:09 PM
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stache wrote:
As I recall Marianne was very much opposed to multiple handles.




It seems that I remember there was a girl who used to post on Marianne's board. She started pretending she was Marianne. She had somehow gotten Marianne's pics from her site and was telling others that she was Marianne, skiing, jumping from airplanes, etc. Marianne found out and was pissed, rightfully so. I bet she would not like to hear this crap going on either.

MissJ
Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:07:35 AM
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To Marianne:

I don't have a problem with you. PJS's association with YTF was not a factor in her being shorted entry here. In fact my not having established any familiarity with this poster on YTF was a factor . Established relationships with posters from other boards is always a factor in their favor when joining mine. Since there was none with PJS, her prior association with YTF would IN NO WAY be a factor in her being shorted entry her. On the contrary. If I had any prior familiarity with her from YTF, (on the face section--I was not on the rhino section) that would be a factor in her favor.

The KEY factors were:

My reading her entry on Dean's board where she told him she would see to it to shut his board down. (which he recently deleted).

Her wanting to enter my board to engage in a revision rhino topic which you and I both know is trouble for any webmaster.

Her making a public issue of my requesting a contribution and also accusations of criminal activity because I did so.

Her lodging legal threats to me in the presence of harassing accusations.

THAT is why she was not wanted on my board. She had all the ear mark of a trouble maker.

With regard to my mentions of 'commercial boards', I need to differentiate that mine has no commercial backing or history of such. Not to trash commercialized boards but to point out that mine is privately subsidized in the absence of corporate sponsoring ect. Hence my request for a contribution if someone specially selects mine. It also shows that I'm not competing with other boards for free memberships

I've been having problems with computer since May. I'm on a loaner now and still waiting for a new one. If I don't get back to you or am not on board, it would be most likely due to another computer problem.



DCNGA
Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:45:13 PM
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To Sue: Yes, that appears to be the same "Ken" who used to post here (KenCarson, was it?)

Geez, this PJS character has a way with twisting words and being all goodness and light and painting Miss J as a demon. She's being prodded by someone here which really sucks. She must thrive on drama. I can only imagine how her RL must be.

The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be. ~Socrates~ (I pretend to be a cat with a lime carved as a helmet on my head)



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