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Offline MissJ  
#1 Posted : Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:56:57 PM(UTC)
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Chin Wing Tutorial. A Tale of 2 chin wings.

I've drafted out a 'mini' tutorial about chin wings. Although it looks 'simple', it took a LOT of effort to reduce a lot of technicalities with it as to make it simple and straight forward. That is the art of my tutorials. Usually they are private and for $$ (and highly catered to ONE unique individual) but I'm making this one public. Why? Because I'm noticing that some folks are getting that but are NOT good candidates for it and there is enough GENERAL info to predict whether you will be happy with it.

Took gads of time trying to upload it here so it was readable. My system kept REJECTING it because the file size was too big. But when I put it on my Google drive, that was linked to my MIT edu account and I don't use that for my message board.

The tutorial is in the form of a 'story' and based 2 characters; Bob and his brother Bip. Bob is a candidate for custom jaw implants and finds out that after a chin wing, it does not work out well for him. Bip is a candidate for max fax and gets implants instead and that does not work out for him. BOTH are AVERSE to getting the the types of surgery they are 'on target' for because they get swept up in successes of patients who ARE on target for the surgeries neither Bob nor Bib are good candidates for.
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Offline Greg  
#2 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:04:17 AM(UTC)
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Fantastic tutorial!!
Where else but here could one have access to such sophisticated and helpful information??!!
Applause
Offline MissJ  
#3 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:02:04 AM(UTC)
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Thanx Greg.

The file size for it exceeded what was allowed by the board settings which is 585 KB. Someone trying to help put it up on Google drive and from there, you could see the WHOLE thing at full size and scroll down to read it. But I was advised NOT to give the link but to download from there and the KB size would fit here. He helps with 'computer stuff' (which i don't understand) and I guess that Google drive thing was connected to MIT edu alum account which could be seen via the link. He kept on saying he REDUCED the file size to 503 KB ( I guess in Google tool) but it kept on being rejected when I tried to attach here because here and on my photo edit software said it was 829KB and not 503. I finally found some way to reduce it so it fit; trial and error, about 20 X attaching it where the board said 'file exceeds maximum file size of 585'. But still, it does not show on board as FULL size so one can scroll down on the document and read it that way ON the board. The original size of 829KB was much better but the board settings would not allow that size to be attached--not even to shrink it down in the display. Anyway, I wish someone could give ME a tutorial on some of this 'computer stuff' I don't understand.

As to the tutorials, I would like to do more on different topics but would not be able to figure out, for the life of me, how to add such large file sizes to here. When I do them privately, the large file sizes can be attached via e mail.
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Offline Mpjanic15  
#4 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:07:01 PM(UTC)
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I loved this tutorial, very helpful! however i disagree with the main point!
My starting point was the classic hyperdivergent high slope ipo developed mandible yet a had a decent result. could i have been better off with implants? maybe, but ruling out people with hyperdivergent small mandibles out of the picture is wrong for me as it's basically the main target of the procedure!
Offline MissJ  
#5 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:43:46 PM(UTC)
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You may not have been like 'Bob' who had no jaw angle but only a 'banana' swoop and also inwardly rotated sides to the mandible. The mandible they use to ILLUSTRATE and basically market the procedure is not hyperdivergent. The 'Bobs' of the world might just get a glorified profile prominence for the CHIN with that. At least with this tutorial, a 'Bob' type would be spared from expectation that the procedure is going going to make him look more 'angular' from the FRONT.

You see the part of the tutorial where I say the doctor would have to 'PRY'. That part relates to hyperdivergence but a type that is difficult for them as how much they can PRY has to do with the ELASTICITY of the bone where the elasticity of the bone does not lend itself to the type of prying needed to offset extreme morphologies.

Anyway, I think there are going to be some people who will get swept up in going for that who might not be good candidates for it.

Originally Posted by: Mpjanic15 Go to Quoted Post
I loved this tutorial, very helpful! however i disagree with the main point!
My starting point was the classic hyperdivergent high slope ipo developed mandible yet a had a decent result. could i have been better off with implants? maybe, but ruling out people with hyperdivergent small mandibles out of the picture is wrong for me as it's basically the main target of the procedure!


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Offline MissJ  
#6 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 2:26:52 PM(UTC)
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The Not so 'Bobsy twins both get chin wings'.
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Offline MissJ  
#7 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:44:13 PM(UTC)
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A REAL LIFE example of a 'not Bob'.
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Offline Mpjanic15  
#8 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 6:52:53 PM(UTC)
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i dunno, i think my jaw really looked like the "bob" phenotype and i obtained an angular result, especially from the front. this is the before.

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Offline MissJ  
#9 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 7:21:53 PM(UTC)
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not really because 'Bob' is type where you would not be able to see much jaw at all from the side because its pressed inward too much. in this photo you can see the outline of the jaw.

Anyway, the proof is in the pudding. It's like this: If they get one and all they notice is the chin looks good in profile and is somewhat wider BUT they don't see any changes to the back of jaw in FRONTAL view, that's a 'Bob' prototype. It's not only the banana contour but also an inward rotation to the sides of the back mandible. Those 2 together give a very HIGH 'slope' and the person who has that won't much outline of their jaw in oblique or profile view.



i dunno, i think my jaw really looked like the "bob" phenotype and i obtained an angular result, especially from the front. this is the before.
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Offline ditterbo  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:00:43 PM(UTC)
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Can I have my skull taken out of the crypt now? I promise to behave this time! Lol
Offline MissJ  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:09:06 PM(UTC)
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No. I need to use the brain in it for tech help. lol


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Can I have my skull taken out of the crypt now? I promise to behave this time! Lol


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